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AIM will shut down after 20 years

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Re: AIM will shut down after 20 years

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5 years ago, aol still used aim internally for everything that people use slack for today. Group chats, bots, notifications for builds, etc, etc. Then gradually individual teams picked up slack and within maybe 18 months, we went from 100% aim to a gigantic corporate slack team. That was the end of AIM, I think. Aol and yahoo both use gmail internally so I suspect they’re going to shitcan their email services eventua…

> Aol and yahoo both use gmail internally

If I remember correctly, Yahoo used to have an email service.

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so isn't this capitalism working as it should? they literally killed their own golden goose with stupidity. why shouldn't others disrupt corrupt crap business?

> they literally killed their own golden goose with stupidity I think this statement misleads readers. Was there organizational stupidity? Always, in every organization. What kept AOL from capitalizing on messaging and social media was lock-in to the subscriber business model, which when combined with market defined quarter-to-quarter EBIDTA driven board goals did not permit leaping at what the people at the core of…

Huh. Do you think investors are happy with how it turned out? Is there any significant interest group that's happy with how it turned out? If not, I'd have a hard time calling that smart.

I get that the people with power may have maximized their personal short-term financial outcomes. Which is certainly one way to define smart. But it strikes me as a very narrow one.

Look at Bezos, for example. He's spent the last couple of decades mostly ignoring what investors wants on a quarterly basis. And Amazon's gone from strength to strength because of it. If AOL's execs were smart, then that makes Bezos stupid. If that's the case, I guess I'd rather be dumb.

Re: AIM will shut down after 20 years

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When I was 14 I had an OH account and could flood channels. I could ToS anyone by sending bogus emails to sprusegoose or radio flyer. I could skip the billing screen via numeric coded screens + master AOL. Da chronic lived in Raleigh NC. I had video sex for the first time with an obese girl in Monterey. Thank you.

Re: AIM will shut down after 20 years

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Is there a word for what one might refer to as "institutional/organizational burnout"? I feel like it's related to the age of leadership and trends in the current cult of personality du jour, and its interaction with promotion, branding and marketing. Shit happens, and the inertia of social groups is tough to steer over time, as sensibilities and fashions change, people get old, and graduating classes of the current…

I have no data to back this up, but my gut tells me it happens a lot more at companies where the CEO isn't a founder, or doesn't have a high degree of ownership. When the CEO controls a lot of the stock, they seem to care a lot less about quarterly results, whereas when the CEO gets most of their money from bonuses tied to stock growth, that is when you see most of these games. If that's true, it seems the lesson her…

I have no data to back this up, but my gut tells me it happens a lot more at companies where the CEO isn't a founder, or doesn't have a high degree of ownership.

Agreed, once the original vision is gone something else takes its place and it is just a ghost of what it was.

This goes hand in hand with the owners/founders being more focused on product development, engineering and innovation. Engineering and innovation are costly when marketing or bizdev/accounting/metrics runs your company which typically happens when the founder leaves. Engineering takes a back seat to decision making, marketing tries to pump revenue out of a product that may be successful not but is not being iterated or innovated on, or the next big thing is not worked on because the company is fat and happy until the grace from that innovation runs out. People join during times of success to latch on and cash out, when the hard work of innovating comes along, those people are gone.

Companies like Amazon, Apple, Google win because they are willing to take innovative risks, engineering is not in the back seat but a driving force and they invest most of their profits back into more innovation, Amazon is probably the best out there at this. Microsoft used to be as well and is coming back a bit but they fell into the trap above when Ballmer took over for a while, more focused on revenues and metrics than the next big step which will always put the current players out of business, or missing a step, if they don't adapt.

Re: AIM will shut down after 20 years

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What you are lamenting the lack of is the 'presence' indicator, where you can set yourself Available, Away, Busy, or simply Offline. Of the current crop of IM clients, only Skype still has it (I think). Of the older IM clients; Lync had it, so did Lotus Sametime, MSN Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, ICQ, and of course AIM. Somewhere along the line the presence feature got dropped, and now we're always 'Available' even whe…

>Somewhere along the line the presence feature got dropped, and now we're always 'Available' even when we're not. Before you were only available when you had your PC on, you were connected to the Internet, and your IM program was open. Now you carry your perpetually running IM program in your perpetually on and perpetually connected mobile in your pocket.

In other words, better is worse, New Jersey style.

Re: AIM will shut down after 20 years

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Always found it strange that AIM had found a niche use amongst financial traders. Bloomberg is really just an expensive news and chat tool. So traders found AIM to be a cheap alternative to chat with their colleagues. At some point Bloomberg got aim integrated into bchat. I wonder what will fill the void for traders... Symphony?

Re: AIM will shut down after 20 years

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A lot of hedge fund traders still use AIM. The sell side is going to use whatever the buy side wants, and the buy side has some tech dinosaurs.

Symphony is trying to tap into that market.

Also interesting, Bloomberg is coming out with a cheap version of their instant messenger ($10/month)

Re: AIM will shut down after 20 years

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You just assume that AIM would be better as a "social network".. but not everyone wants that, some people just want simple chat. In fact many people think google's failure with gchat was trying to force people to use things they didn't want when all they really wanted was simple chat.

The point is that AIM was a social network before the idea was even conceptualized. The concept of a friend activity feed existed on AIM in an ad hoc manner before it was hard coded into facebook/twitter/etc: it was standard to go down your list of friends and see who was doing what based on their status message. If someone at Aol had any foresight they could have been on the ground floor of the rise of social networ…

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Re: AIM will shut down after 20 years

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> With Facebook Messenger, everyone who has the app is always "online." Not exactly, FBM lets you differentiate between people who are "active", as in they are currently using FBM, vs. "last seen x hours ago." The difference from AIM is that being active vs. inactive does not necessarily correspond to whether or not you are up for an engaged conversation, and also that you don't directly control your status since it'…

It is not convoluted, just hidden. After you mention it I searched and it takes two clicks to get to. What it doesn't do is let you snoop. You are either active and see everyone who is active, or not active and don't see anyone who is active, a weird type of "fairness" that doesn't really make sense. All these social networks are definitely trying to use symmetry to push for engagement, which is not always the goal f…

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Re: AIM will shut down after 20 years

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I wonder if there is a chance the AIM server source code gets opened up. Would be interesting to see and possibly somewhat useful for retrocomputing.

One of the principle authors (who had long since left AOL) tried to get the proprietary kernel and the distributed computing components open sourced 4-5 years ago, got almost to the finish line and then everyone in the executive chain of approval was axed/moved on. I doubt anyone else has the will and connections to try.
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