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Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

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Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

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> How will I be able to support my gift? In the end what we are seeing is that that golden era of creators making a living (and much much more) was an anomaly. Control of new types of distribution created scarcity and new forms of expression and shifting norms jacked up demand. But now distribution is free, instant and global. Demand has flatlined and production has exploded. The hard question a creator needs to ask…

In the end what we are seeing is that that golden era of creators making a living (and much much more) was an anomaly.

Historically, musicians and actors were very poorly paid. For a brief period in the 20th century, some of them made a lot of money. That's over.

There were, at peak, several million Myspace bands. Some of which didn't suck. Supply of musicians far exceeds demand.

Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

#32

If each radio spin at 347,820 spins hit 10,000 radio listeners average (a Denver hit station has about ~250,000 weekly listeners, a popular rush hour/drive time show with mixed talk/music format has ~80,000 listeners) , then the $53,000 was at a rate of 0.00001524 dollars per listener. If Pandora paid that, his royalty would have been $582.55... So it looks like the industry from a streaming point of view assumes abo…

Another difference is that most of those 20k people did not ask to hear this song while every (well, more or less) streamer has.

Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

#33

> How will I be able to support my gift? In the end what we are seeing is that that golden era of creators making a living (and much much more) was an anomaly. Control of new types of distribution created scarcity and new forms of expression and shifting norms jacked up demand. But now distribution is free, instant and global. Demand has flatlined and production has exploded. The hard question a creator needs to ask…

If even people reaching a truly stupidly huge number of people don't get even close to making a living (I get more than that off a few hundred people on Patreon for the work that I do), in a situation where those operating the streaming services are renting out entire floors of office buildings in Manhattan, your question is disingenuous.

Just because some of us are eking out a sort of existence in the new era doesn't make it a functional system.

I would be perfectly happy to see it become 'this is the Star Trek future, your entire compensation is the satisfaction of a job well done and being personally liked for what you've created', if our world operated on some sort of UBI and we didn't have to have our performance linked to survival at all.

Under those circumstances, things naturally shift down the Maslow hierarchy of needs, and people take for granted that they'll live, and get desperate for validation and popularity, that being what they lack. I have NO problem with a world that completely unlinks money from performance, because I'm not a free-market capitalist type demanding that financial reward behave like a 'meritocracy'.

Self-evidently it doesn't anyway, so literally nothing of value is lost.

BUT, we have that completely decoupled world and yet demand that people pay for even the most frugal living with money they got somebody to give them, in a world where people simply can't and don't do that anymore.

Silicon Valley clever-boffins: come up with some disruptive alternative really fast. We don't have time to mess around, and what these songwriters face is the same fate waiting for all of us, in turn, including you. How about abolishing money and replacing it entirely with 'likes'?

Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

#34

My grandfather had a single hit song over 50 years ago and he still lives comfortably off accumulated royalties and other proceeds in 2017. Those days are long gone. In this current system artists can still become millionaires via concert and show money. It's the writers and producers who are getting shafted since they depend mostly on royalities and points. What I find intriguing are the genres where producers are a…

"Santa's Super Sleigh"?

Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

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post #9

I can't speak as to the other platforms, but spotify's revenue sharing model really sucks for small artists. For example, if someone signs up for Spotify to listen to exclusively songs by one artist, that artist is not getting that user's monthly fee... they're probably getting a couple pennies tops, if that.

I think it's pretty well known that artist's make really less from streaming or even album sales.

That's why i usually buy t-shirts or something like that of the artist to support them. Fortunately for the type of music i prefer, soundcloud is enough for as of now.

Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

#36
post #9

I can't speak as to the other platforms, but spotify's revenue sharing model really sucks for small artists. For example, if someone signs up for Spotify to listen to exclusively songs by one artist, that artist is not getting that user's monthly fee... they're probably getting a couple pennies tops, if that.

The point of this article is that spotify's revenue sharing model really sucks for BIG artists. Justin Bieber definitely qualifies as a "big" artist.

Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

#37

If each radio spin at 347,820 spins hit 10,000 radio listeners average (a Denver hit station has about ~250,000 weekly listeners, a popular rush hour/drive time show with mixed talk/music format has ~80,000 listeners) , then the $53,000 was at a rate of 0.00001524 dollars per listener. If Pandora paid that, his royalty would have been $582.55... So it looks like the industry from a streaming point of view assumes abo…

Another difference is that most of those 20k people did not ask to hear this song while every (well, more or less) streamer has.

Pandora has to pay more if it was requested.

Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

#38

> How will I be able to support my gift? In the end what we are seeing is that that golden era of creators making a living (and much much more) was an anomaly. Control of new types of distribution created scarcity and new forms of expression and shifting norms jacked up demand. But now distribution is free, instant and global. Demand has flatlined and production has exploded. The hard question a creator needs to ask…

You are confusing "distribution" with "supply". Having lots of people making music is a different issue from having music freely available via youtube. Music has been pretty darn cheap to reproduce for decades.

Yes, availability of substitutes can diminish bargaining power of music rights holders, but I'm not convinced that's at all how we should interpret these numbers. I think this is more about market power and network effects of the middlemen (google, pandora, the labels, etc...)

I would be interested in the revenue split between rights holders and YouTube.

Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

#39

My grandfather had a single hit song over 50 years ago and he still lives comfortably off accumulated royalties and other proceeds in 2017. Those days are long gone. In this current system artists can still become millionaires via concert and show money. It's the writers and producers who are getting shafted since they depend mostly on royalities and points. What I find intriguing are the genres where producers are a…

"Santa's Super Sleigh"?

No but my user name is a big hint. Artist who grew up in South Philly 50-60 years ago and had a hit song so big he still lives off the royalties today.....

Re: Royalties from Writing a Hit Song with Justin Bieber

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe that was a total? I didn't read it as just for this year.

That could be, but it seems like he's being well compensated for his effort either way.

Is he? Is he being compensated well when looked at relative to what others have made off of it? It would be interesting to see those numbers.
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