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Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

#81
post #4

> Firefox Quantum’s new engine uses 30% less memory than Chrome This is a pretty appealing claim. I'm ashamed to admit that one thing that might keep me on Chrome is the trove of passwords in my sync'd up account. But I'll definitely give Quantum a test drive.

Might be looking into bitwarden myself as lastpass as of this post does not support firefox 57.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

#82
post #55

Frustrated by the new "screenshots" tool. The "save" button automatically uploads your screenshot up to mozilla servers. The "download" button saves it to your computer. It seems completely backwards. The "save" button should save it to my computer (there's no reason call something a "download" when it's already local). The "download" button should be replaced with an "upload & share" button that sends it to mozilla'…

> Showing me where the link points when I hover the mouse over it is something so fundamental to browsing I just can't figure out why it was ever removed Firefox 57 (and maybe previous versions, I can't remember) pops up a "temporary status bar" (for lack of a better phrase) with the link destination in it when you hover on a link ( https://imgur.com/a/Vo7AZ ).

> and maybe previous versions, I can't remember

Yes, this has been the way it's done for a very long time. It's such a basic feature that I don't think there was ever a version of Firefox without this feature in one form or another.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah just confirmed by removing the addon. The url shows up but only after an annoying delay and an animated fade-in. Ugh.

Flickering in and out instantly as you move the cursor across a page and happen to pass through a bunch of links would be a lot more annoying. Alternate implementation would be to make sure the cursor has actually stopped, which still needs a frame or two before you act on it. I could definitely do without the fade-in, that's inconsistent with the rest of the OS and it feels clunky. I wonder if the designers are on a…

Just did some browser comparisons:

Safari has a fade-in and triggers it immediately, so you do get a pop-up as you move your mouse around. But the fade and delay on closing smooths it out enough that it doesn't flash on and off. I don't love that it pops up instantly when I don't want it to.

Chrome and Firefox feel pretty similar. There's a delay on fade-in and a (longer?) delay on fade-out. Looking at it more closely, I think it does check that the cursor has stopped. Moving left to right across a link won't trigger the popup even if you're over it for a long time. So is it just the fade that makes opening feel slow?

I'm not totally sure whether I'd like it better without the fade. Since I don't see a way to turn it off there's no easy way to find out.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

#84

I've been following https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/Firefox56AddonW... It's surprised me the amount some people rely on addons for their workflow and the amount of effort they will be going through to resist this change come 57. For my usage, I've found Firefox Klar/Focus (which I believe already include the speed improvements from 57+?) on Android and have been extremely impressed.

Unfortunately that's also where I'll stop during at least a few months after Firefox 57 is released. Quantum is ultra fast, but my extensions are more important. Greasemonkey and Stylish, for example, have equivalent WebExtensions, but they're not as polished. Same with DownThemAll. I think WebExtensions should have matured a bit longer, with Quantum, electrolysis, and Photon being made available for all with the old…

Oh shit. I had not been following this and I didn't know that DownThemAll wasn't going to work. Now I'm sad :(

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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post #81
post #4

> Firefox Quantum’s new engine uses 30% less memory than Chrome This is a pretty appealing claim. I'm ashamed to admit that one thing that might keep me on Chrome is the trove of passwords in my sync'd up account. But I'll definitely give Quantum a test drive.

Might be looking into bitwarden myself as lastpass as of this post does not support firefox 57.

This has been a constant annoyance for me for a few weeks (since I switched to Nightly), but for what it's worth, Lastpass says they'll have a WebExtension version out by the time Firefox 57 is officially released (2017-11-14).

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

#86
post #23

I will badly miss vimperator. Yeah 56.0 works smoothly but without ability to use keyboard only that's hollow victory for me. Typing this in vim after viewing hackers news in w3m shows how desperate I am.

I'm not sure what features of Vimperator you're using, but if it's only about being able to navigate through your keyboard only, try Vimium-FF: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/vimium-ff/?sr...

There are all sorts of issues with Vimium.

For instance, doesn't work on non-website pages, often have to cmd-w when x doesn't work completely defeating the extension to begin with. No d vs D to close prev/next tab, or p vs P. No temporary pass-thru, just whitelists.

Anyone who thinks Vimium is anywhere nearly as polished as Vimperator probably never used the latter much. Though not sure if it's to do with API limits vs general lack of polish.

But since Chrome never had a single solution as good as Pentadactyl/Vimperator, must be an API thing which means we're a bit screwed.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

#87

Frustrated by the new "screenshots" tool. The "save" button automatically uploads your screenshot up to mozilla servers. The "download" button saves it to your computer. It seems completely backwards. The "save" button should save it to my computer (there's no reason call something a "download" when it's already local). The "download" button should be replaced with an "upload & share" button that sends it to mozilla'…

>it could screenshot the entire page

I saw that too, but it seems the only way to do it is the old ctrl+shift+i and use the dev screen shot tool after enabling it in the toolbox. This method does always save locally though.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

#88
post #69

Frustrated by the new "screenshots" tool. The "save" button automatically uploads your screenshot up to mozilla servers. The "download" button saves it to your computer. It seems completely backwards. The "save" button should save it to my computer (there's no reason call something a "download" when it's already local). The "download" button should be replaced with an "upload & share" button that sends it to mozilla'…

honest question, why would anyone use an in-browser screenshot tool when screenshot tools already come pre-installed in basically every operating system? can Firefox's screenshot tool be disabled? I'd like to switch back from Chrome due to Big Brother concerns but not if Firefox is making questionable choices like this.

If you consider Firefox Screenshots from the perspective of a Support tool, this makes alot of sense. Customer wants to file a support ticket or bug report, needs to include a screenshot. Screenshot taken, they paste the link into the ticket, done. They never leave the browser.

Outside of the browser, fire up the screenshot tool, crop whatever you want to show, save it, upload it to imgur or website of choice, attach or paste it.

I would liken the tool to Fedora's amazing fpaste tool, which you invoke via the following:

    foo | fpaste
fpaste takes the output of the `foo` command, sends it to a log file, automatically uploads it to a fedora server, and returns a minified URL that can be copied and pasted to the developer. It is an amazing tool, provided you know what it's doing.

fpaste also takes several safety precautions such as static URLs that delete themselves after 24 hours.

So I can see Screenshots being very useful for that purpose. It just needs to be better about disclosing what it's doing.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

#89
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately that's also where I'll stop during at least a few months after Firefox 57 is released. Quantum is ultra fast, but my extensions are more important. Greasemonkey and Stylish, for example, have equivalent WebExtensions, but they're not as polished. Same with DownThemAll. I think WebExtensions should have matured a bit longer, with Quantum, electrolysis, and Photon being made available for all with the old…

Absolutely. I won't be upgrading and I'm already looking for alternatives, as long as crucial parts of my workflow (tree tabs, session manager) have no adequate replacement. The ugly redesign is also a thorn in my side.

Agreed. The inability to customize button placement and the enforcement of a lowest-common-denominator default placement is painful. Unfortunately, all the other major alternatives are just as bad or worse.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

#90
post #41
post #4

> Firefox Quantum’s new engine uses 30% less memory than Chrome This is a pretty appealing claim. I'm ashamed to admit that one thing that might keep me on Chrome is the trove of passwords in my sync'd up account. But I'll definitely give Quantum a test drive.

Firefox will offer to import those (along with bookmarks) when you start it up, and it offers its own syncing service as well. I switched about a month ago and it's been pretty seamless.

Sending tabs and syncing bookmarks is especially useful. Find sth. nice to read on the PC but have to leave, send the tab(s) to your phone. Stupid registration form, bad mobile site, sth. to copy or paste from: send it to your laptop.

Also, a bit off topic, but the Tab Queue thing in Firefox for Android is incredibly awesome. I have some newsletters that I follow, hit the links, they're queued in Firefox, and I stay in my (K-9) mail app. When I've gonr through all the newsletters, I switch to FF, and all my pages are there.

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