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Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by greggyb »

andrepd wrote: post #25
hadrien01 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately that's also where I'll stop during at least a few months after Firefox 57 is released. Quantum is ultra fast, but my extensions are more important. Greasemonkey and Stylish, for example, have equivalent WebExtensions, but they're not as polished. Same with DownThemAll. I think WebExtensions should have matured a bit longer, with Quantum, electrolysis, and Photon being made available for all with the old…

Absolutely. I won't be upgrading and I'm already looking for alternatives, as long as crucial parts of my workflow (tree tabs, session manager) have no adequate replacement. The ugly redesign is also a thorn in my side.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta... has a 'Compatible with Firefox 57' badge, and I've been using it with no issues.

I've always been satisfied with the built in session management (restore last session on open) and don't have any feedback on the other.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by Aeolos »

DerfNet wrote: post #69
saberworks wrote: post #46

Frustrated by the new "screenshots" tool. The "save" button automatically uploads your screenshot up to mozilla servers. The "download" button saves it to your computer. It seems completely backwards. The "save" button should save it to my computer (there's no reason call something a "download" when it's already local). The "download" button should be replaced with an "upload & share" button that sends it to mozilla'…

honest question, why would anyone use an in-browser screenshot tool when screenshot tools already come pre-installed in basically every operating system? can Firefox's screenshot tool be disabled? I'd like to switch back from Chrome due to Big Brother concerns but not if Firefox is making questionable choices like this.

Because that allows you to capture a complete, scrollable website as a single png image. OS tools only let you capture the currently viewable area.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by saberworks »

DerfNet wrote: post #69
saberworks wrote: post #46

Frustrated by the new "screenshots" tool. The "save" button automatically uploads your screenshot up to mozilla servers. The "download" button saves it to your computer. It seems completely backwards. The "save" button should save it to my computer (there's no reason call something a "download" when it's already local). The "download" button should be replaced with an "upload & share" button that sends it to mozilla'…

honest question, why would anyone use an in-browser screenshot tool when screenshot tools already come pre-installed in basically every operating system? can Firefox's screenshot tool be disabled? I'd like to switch back from Chrome due to Big Brother concerns but not if Firefox is making questionable choices like this.

Well, once you learn the backwards behavior of the buttons, nothing will get sent to mozilla (click "download" and not "save"). I thought it would be cool to save the entire page, even the parts that aren't in view (difficult with operating-system screenshot tools). (I couldn't figure out how to make this work.) And yes, you can right-click on the screenshot button and remove it from the toolbar (I don't think this would disable the entire feature, maybe there's a keyboard shortcut to activate it as well).

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by Aeolos »

FruityFaiz wrote: post #20
wyldfire wrote: post #4

> Firefox Quantum’s new engine uses 30% less memory than Chrome This is a pretty appealing claim. I'm ashamed to admit that one thing that might keep me on Chrome is the trove of passwords in my sync'd up account. But I'll definitely give Quantum a test drive.

Same here, I have both Firefox nightly and safari but I tend to use safari more still...

There is one thing that stops me from using Safari (or Chrome/Opera) on Mac OS: the lack of middle-click autoscrolling.

Firefox lets me do a triple-finger tap and then scroll a page smoothly at a consistent pace. This is wonderful for reading sites such as HN without getting RSI from doing the same motion again and again.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by AdmiralAsshat »

>In most cases, the upgrade to Firefox Quantum will be painless. Most popular add-ons will update to the new APIs before the release of Firefox Quantum, and Firefox will suggest replacements inside about:addons for those that don’t.

Suggestion WebExtension replacements is brilliant. There's already multiple crowd-sourced lists on Reddit's r/Firefox basically for this purpose.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by moosingin3space »

madmax108 wrote: post #42
pricechild wrote: post #3

I've been following https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/Firefox56AddonW... It's surprised me the amount some people rely on addons for their workflow and the amount of effort they will be going through to resist this change come 57. For my usage, I've found Firefox Klar/Focus (which I believe already include the speed improvements from 57+?) on Android and have been extremely impressed.

For people who are uber concerned about keeping v56 without losing your extensions as part of the 57 update, you can turn off auto update for Firefox: Go to about:preferences In Firefox Updates choose "Never Check for Updates" Breathe easy! I know this is not recommended, but I love my XUL based extensions a little too much (Tab Groups primary among those) to give them up so easily.

If this is a problem for you, please switch to 52 ESR and use it until June 2018, and file bug reports against those legacy extensions. Disabling updates for a piece of software that is used to run untrusted code is a terrible piece of advice.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by metalliqaz »

saberworks wrote: post #46

Frustrated by the new "screenshots" tool. The "save" button automatically uploads your screenshot up to mozilla servers. The "download" button saves it to your computer. It seems completely backwards. The "save" button should save it to my computer (there's no reason call something a "download" when it's already local). The "download" button should be replaced with an "upload & share" button that sends it to mozilla'…

Thank you for pointing this out. This is a bug IMHO. No security-focused browser to do that.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by moosingin3space »

binaryapparatus wrote: post #15
PhantomGremlin wrote: post #13

NoScript is identified as a "legacy" extension. But it's the only one I use or care about. Hopefully it will be rewritten to work properly? To me, NoScript is sine qua non. It's the primary differentiating factor between Firefox and other browsers.

There is javascript.enabled key in about:config that _seems_ to be working as expected but setting it manually every time is a chore.

NoScript isn't about bluntly disabling JavaScript. It's a set of tools for managing what scripts can do and what scripts run.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by moosingin3space »

PhantomGremlin wrote: post #13

NoScript is identified as a "legacy" extension. But it's the only one I use or care about. Hopefully it will be rewritten to work properly? To me, NoScript is sine qua non. It's the primary differentiating factor between Firefox and other browsers.

NoScript's author works on the Mozilla Security Group. As a result, this particular extension was one that was strongly pushed. The author will be releasing a WebExtensions version in time for 57. He maintains the legacy version for the benefit of Tor Browser (based on 52ESR) so there is no chance for breakage before Tor Browser moves to 59ESR.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by wlesieutre »

saberworks wrote: post #68
phireal wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It takes a fraction of a second to pop up (maybe a few hundred milliseconds).

Yeah just confirmed by removing the addon. The url shows up but only after an annoying delay and an animated fade-in. Ugh.

Flickering in and out instantly as you move the cursor across a page and happen to pass through a bunch of links would be a lot more annoying.

Alternate implementation would be to make sure the cursor has actually stopped, which still needs a frame or two before you act on it.

I could definitely do without the fade-in, that's inconsistent with the rest of the OS and it feels clunky. I wonder if the designers are on a different OS where this is normal for tooltips?

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