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Re: A Pre-History of Slashdot

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> We make use of a service already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons This sounds like it was written by an angsty 14-year-old who has no idea what actually goes into building and maintaining public infrastructure. Not, of course, that telecoms are always good citizens, but still.

Long distance calls in those days were prohibitively expensive. He was writing about the public telephone system and BBSs, not the Internet. You did not dial a BBS outside of your area code (and sometimes not even within the area code because there might be toll charges).

Yeah, I was around then.

Long distance calls were expensive because they were trying to pay off billions of dollars of basic infrastructure - the phone network that we're only now replacing nearly half a century later. Those fancy exchanges that the phreakers were exploiting? Those had to be invented, prototyped, tested, mass produced, installed, maintained... and that's not even considering tens of thousands of kilometers of telephone wires and poles, negotiating land rights, etc.

We only think of long distance communication as being next-to-free today because our information tech is already bootstrapped, computers are a billion times more powerful, and the market across which those costs are amortized are at least a million times bigger.

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Oh, that's nice! It's not currently compatible with Hacker News Enhancement Suite. Quickest solution I found was to change a line in findCurrentUser(), but just FYI. It would've been a deal-breaker for me. Looking forward to playing around with this :).

@mercer - There a PR or Fork for that?

I've never done one of those, but if I find time this weekend I might try and do that. If anyone else cares to, or if you want to fix it yourself:

- open the folder for the extension (name of folder can be found in the extensions screen in Chrome)

- edit client.js

- go to line 25 or the function 'findCurrentUser'

- replace with this.me = $('.pagetop .nav-links #my-more-link').text()

Re: A Pre-History of Slashdot

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For some reason I think this going to happen to HN too, and I feel it is at 3. And I'm not sure if I'm in group #1 or group #2.

I'm definitely in group 2. Possibly in group 3 if that's a thing.

I think I am 'Group 3'. My account is 4 1/2 years old and I was a 'read only' site visitor for a while before that.

So there were the people who got here first, then the people who discovered the site in 2008, which was a long time ago, and have fair claim to being 'group 2'.

So I think 'Group 3' is me. A defining characteristic of 'Group 3' is that goes back to pre-Snowden times, before the truth was known. Kids today must be 'Group 4'.

This reminds me of A Brief History of Who Ruined Burning Man:

https://journal.burningman.org/2016/10/philosophical-center/...

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I occasionally hear people complaining about ads on youtube, but I have never seen a youtube ad aside from when random people try to show me a video on their computer. Do people just not use adblock+ any more?

Sure, but not on my phone and on my Samsung 65" smart tv.

Ah. Yea, I use firefox for android for mostly that reason.

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It makes my heart swell to know there are still those out there thinking of dear Natalie, petrified and with hot grits down her pants...

In Soviet Russia, where the pants wear you!

In Korea, only old people wear pants.

Re: A Pre-History of Slashdot

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I remember getting my house's cable modem slashdotted in 2001 when i launched a community site (half-empty.org) I built -- what a wild ride that was. (If you are reading, thanks to Tim Wilde and the rest of the DynDNS crew for all the memories helping me, a young kid, get that site into an actual DC :)) I remember always rolling my eyes at the Linux and Free Software crowd on /. and the anti-Microsoft zeitgeist that…

Open source is the main thing that prevented cyberpunk dystopias that many authors imagined. This community deserves some love.

Let's be honest: It prevented some and created others.

We got a wealth of free tools that allowed us to create things like Slashdot without crippling license fees and we got a wealth of cheap IoT and poorly programmed devices that can DDOS and bring down GitHub.

In the 1990s the fear was that Microsoft would take over everything. Now the concern is that Linux will show up in places it has no business being, collecting data it doesn't need, and connecting to services that aren't necessary, all in what should be simple, dumb appliances like your refrigerator or washing machine.

The kinds of hacks that were absolutely, hilariously laughable in movies like Virus are now quite plausible. Blender went berserk and set the kitchen on fire? Who would've guessed that's actually practical now, given a sufficiently Internet of Thingsy appliance.

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Looks like you joined about 5 1/2 years ago. I'm surprised you think you're part of Group #2. Before what date do you think people can be group #1? Or are you ascribing the group number to contributions rather than date of joining?

When a friend first recommended hackernews to me it didn't show up in google searches. So I gave up. I think techcrunch finally led me to finding it. By the time I actually created an account(just 10 days before nathan^), people were already complaining about the deterioration of the community, so I assumed I was in group 2.

I am most definitely Group #2. I wish I was Group #1, but I was too loyal to /. (and a few other sites), and after /. got DICEd along with the 'f*ck beta' stuff I jumped ship to Soylentnews.org which had an okay community but a rather fascist set of admins (despite what their manifesto says).

So after a few months of lurking, I registered here, and now it's my daily[1] go-to site.

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[1] Hourly. :)

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I never publicly announced this but I loved Slashdot’s friend/foe system so much that I built it as a cross browser extension for Hacker News. It’s called Hacker Smacker and it’s on GitHub. https://github.com/samuelclay/hackersmacker Supports not only friends and foes but also friends of friends and foes of friends. Makes it easy to scan the HN homepage and comment threads and see what’s good. Much like how Slashdot’…

Slashdot got a surprisingly large amount of stuff right, amazing considering it was one of the pioneering web-based discussion systems. - You cannot both moderate and comment on the same article. - Limited moderation points (too limited on Slashdot arguably, but better than infinite up/down votes). - They didn't have up/down, but a system of "Interesting", "Informative", "Off-Topic" and a few others. These are the sa…

> They didn't have up/down, but a system of "Interesting", "Informative", "Off-Topic" and a few others. These are the same as up/down votes in the end, but make you classify postings.

I might be misremembering things, but I seem to recall that it was also possible to assign boost points to these in your user settings - i.e. so that Interesting posts would be treated as +2 rather than +1, for example.

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Slashdot got a surprisingly large amount of stuff right, amazing considering it was one of the pioneering web-based discussion systems. - You cannot both moderate and comment on the same article. - Limited moderation points (too limited on Slashdot arguably, but better than infinite up/down votes). - They didn't have up/down, but a system of "Interesting", "Informative", "Off-Topic" and a few others. These are the sa…

When I was younger I thought that Slashdot's moderation was brilliant, and every time that I tried to think up something better I invariably came back to that model. When I first stumbled across Reddit I thought to myself that it couldn't possibly work: too simple, too accessible, too easy to game. And yet over the years I kept reading Reddit and stopped reading Slashdot, and it dawned on me that Reddit's comment rat…

On Reddit, you get the same thing in certain subreddits. I think it just depends on how you are in relation to the local groupthink.

Re: A Pre-History of Slashdot

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I never publicly announced this but I loved Slashdot’s friend/foe system so much that I built it as a cross browser extension for Hacker News. It’s called Hacker Smacker and it’s on GitHub. https://github.com/samuelclay/hackersmacker Supports not only friends and foes but also friends of friends and foes of friends. Makes it easy to scan the HN homepage and comment threads and see what’s good. Much like how Slashdot’…

I don't really understand the appeal of a friend/foe system. If I don't like a person, I typically try to avoid interacting with them unless/until I find a way to reevaluate them or myself so that I can find something positive, a way to like them. Pretty much the last thing I want is a computer to remind me that I don't like someone. In fact, I wish frequently that I could suppress my own internal feelings of dislike…

The whole point of friend/foe system on Slashdot is that foes' comments are less visible, and friends' are more visible. It's basically a way to say "this person tends to say ridiculous things, and I don't care to read more of them" and "this person tends to say interesting things, I'd love to hear what they have to say on other subjects".

So if your approach is to "try to avoid interacting with them", it just automates that.

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