I’m sure the approach to dealing with this will be some variation of restorative justice instead of a public pillory and termination of an entire team like Steve did to the MobileMe Team.
If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint
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Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint
#182Okay... can somebody spoof/re-spin the relevant xkcd? https://xkcd.com/538/
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#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
The mouse thing really irks me. The moment the mouse needs charging is the moment is stop working. So why am I expected to then not use the product while it charges? A product that used to have a wire connected to it and is sitting right next to the computer ? How is having a hole in the bottom at better than having a hole on the side?
I have one on my desk. It's the biggest non-issue ever. Do you ever need to go to the bathroom? Or get up and get a drink of water? Plug it in, and by the time you come back, you have enough charge to last you the rest of the day. Remember to plug it in overnight, and you've got at least a month of charge. It's just a ridiculous complaint that it can't be used while plugged in. It's a wireless mouse - why would you w…
I'm not saying it's an issue, I'm saying that it costs between 5-10 times more than other mice.
One would expect a little more thought would go into designing it.
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
Without knowing the circumstances of how the bug was introduced, and the testing infrastructure, I'm torn. On the one hand, I could be convinced that some believable scenarios exist where test might have missed this through something other than incompetence and sloppiness. OTOH, I'm having a hard time imagining what that "believable" scenario might look like. You hand me Disk Utility to test, and I'm going to do some…
I think that bug could easily slip through once, even with a test script. Let’s say the script says - enter P as password - enter H as hint - click “OK” - unmount the disk - mount it again - check that the dialog shows the hint H - enter P as the password ... Now, if P isn’t obviously a password and H isn’t obviously a hint (let’s say P is ‘foo’, and H is ‘bar’), it takes only one slip of the mind to turn that “check…
A better test description would use a more password-like value for P (say ‘tqbfjoald’) and a more hint-like value for H (‘quick and brown’), decreasing that risk.
Maybe I expect too much, but a tester with any experience is going to use strings like "thePassword" and "theHint" to reduce those brain farts. One doesn't have to test software very long before discovering why using "test", "test" as the respective strings for that dialog will bite you.
I agree with your hypothesis, but it's one of those mistakes I'd expect out of a fresh-out-of-college person, and I would expect those folks to be testing, say, TextEdit and not security-sensitive pieces. But there are so many unknowns that I still reserve judgement. I'd just like to know what piece of the process broke down such that something like this gets out the door.
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which mbp model?
2016. The keys are so shallow that after normal use (no crumbs or anything like that) they start having problems. As for battery life, they had to make it 4mm thinner just for the sake of it, and the screen sucks all the battery. I wish it was thicker but I could actually use it without keeping plugging it in.
Oh, the emoji bar laptop? Yeah. I tried one of those when they showed up in the stores and the keyboard is pathetic. Ended up switching to a Thinkpad (should have done it years ago).
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's become a bit of a joke that every year is "the year of the linux desktop," but seriously I've been amazed at how awesome machine I can get with linux for half the price of a macbook. Linux UX has come a long way. Both Gnome and KDE these days have a pretty complete and nice experience.
Gnome and KDE both still make me want to puke up blood but I would agree there will come a point in the not too distant future where Apple's going to have to look at cutting Mac prices. I mostly buy second hand these days just because I don't want to spend $2k+ when a $1k used machine is good enough for my needs.
I would pay _more_ for a Linux laptop than a Mac if I _had_ to. It is a matter of taste and also what you are used to. I have the choice not to use KDE and Gnome and choose xmonad instead. Macs are horrible for many of those that are not used to them.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
The comma is important. They removed the headphone jack (from their phone), and all of the significant ports from their laptops.
Right. I thought we were talking about Macs not iPhones but I see that the rant went on and included iPhones.
Well, I was expanding on the opening sentence: "Apple is really going downhill, in every field.".
Also, why is it a rant? That's what I think is going on, and those are some points that explain why I think this way.
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Can confirm I have a hybrid wired/wireless mouse (Logitech G700s) and I generally just leave it plugged in. Which works fine, so I'm glad Logitech decided not to be assholes about it.
Incidentally if anyone's looking for a mouse, Logitech really handles this perfectly. When it's plugged in to USB they use the cable for power + data so there's a tiny bit less latency and no worries about signal dropping. It switches the data to the wireless dongle automatically if the cable is unplugged. The mouse runs off of a single rechargable AA battery (came with an Eneloop brand NiMH which are well regarded).…
I second the recommendation, been using a logitech performance MX mouse for probably 4-5 years now. My company gave out the apple mouse and I made them specially order the MX for me. I am a creature of comfort though as I did the same for my keyboard.
Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint
#189Apple needs some internal competition, iOS and macOS should never have been merged into one team. macOS needs a leader that doesn't believe desktop computing got superseded by mobile.
Somewhat yes but there is also a risk of too much divergence (e.g. the similarities in frameworks are what make development great in some respects). I would structure it so that the internal cross-platform app groups have a lot of “pull”, ensuring that both OS teams continue to communicate and keep the APIs similar.
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I don't think it's about the hole. Someone decided: - users would have a better experience if the mouse was wireless - if left to their own devices, users will tend to leave the mouse plugged in and use it as a wired mouse so they solved that contradiction by taking away the option of missing out on wirelessness.
> users would have a better experience if the mouse was wireless Where 'better experience' is defined as 'not having a mouse until it charges back up'?
I'm not agreeing with them, I'm just postulating that this is an example of Apple's creed of "our designers know better than our users".