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If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

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Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

#71

Apple is really going downhill, in every field. I have a MacBook Pro, and the keys no longer work reliably. I also barely get 2 hours of battery life. High Sierra keeps restarting by itself. They removed the jack, and all ports from laptops. They placed the charger for their wireless mouse under the mouse so you can't use it while charging, and the list goes on and on--particularly with software. It's just not premiu…

>They removed the jack, and all ports from laptops.

What are you on about? Audio jack is there.

>They placed the charger for their wireless mouse under the mouse so you can't use it while charging

And? Mouse lasts MONTHS on a single charge. It notifies you 12 hours ahead that it needs charging. A 5 min charge can last you an hour.

I think this is a lot better than having a hole on the side of your mouse at all times.

This is an issue only to those who've never used it.

>and the list goes on and on--particularly with software.

Please list it. I'm dying to know more!

>It's just not premium stuff anymore.

Silly opinion.

>I've already switched to Android, and I am not buying another computer from them.

We're talking about Macs. What does Android have to do with it? You're mixing up your hate memes.

PS: You clearly never even owned a Macbook Pro. You're probably getting your "facts" from bullshit 4chan memes.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

#73
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe: “I hope they improve and nobody loses their job”

Agreed. You can be sure that whomever was involved with the bug will probably never make that mistake again.

They asked for new leadership, not new developers. The 'mistake' wasn't a bug in XYZ, but a leader who took feature deadlines ahead of actual functionality. That leader should be axed - that's what GGP was discussing.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

#74
post #35
post #4

how??! In what context does a clear-text password end up anywhere, except as the input for a hash function.

How? 1. Lack of automated unit tests covering the code in question. 2. Lack of automated functional tests running through scenarios of setting up an encrypted volume with or without a hint. 3. Lack of strict review process for the disk utility's codebase. This assumes automated tests are also peer-reviewed. 1 - 3 won't guarantee a bug-free project, but I doubt this bug would've made it into production.

Completely agree that adequate automated testing would have caught this but still ...

You'd think the developer/QA that worked on that particular feature would have manually tested it at least once.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

#75
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe: “I hope they improve and nobody loses their job”

Agreed. You can be sure that whomever was involved with the bug will probably never make that mistake again.

You can be sure that whomever was involved with the bug will probably never make that mistake again.

We all like the story of "just spent a million dollars training you", but experience tells me that there is absolutely no assurance whatsoever that any random person won't be repeating that mistake in the future.

EDIT: and to be clear, of what tiny bit I know, I blame test more than dev. From the dev side I can see someone making a stupid mistake (that for the record I could just as easily make) swapping the foo with the bar, or some mis-click in IB. But I'm still astounded that this made it out of test without getting caught.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

#77

Apple is really going downhill, in every field. I have a MacBook Pro, and the keys no longer work reliably. I also barely get 2 hours of battery life. High Sierra keeps restarting by itself. They removed the jack, and all ports from laptops. They placed the charger for their wireless mouse under the mouse so you can't use it while charging, and the list goes on and on--particularly with software. It's just not premiu…

Certainly we've seen a lot more quality problems recently than we are used to seeing from Apple, even in first releases of a new system. This is bad for users and bad for the brand.

However I wouldn't say all of these are terrible faults any different from what they've done before. As a vertically integrated, full-ecosystem brand Apple has consistently chosen to design towards where they feel the industry ought to be, not where it is incrementally advancing towards. They did this with thunderbolt vs firewire, and they are doing it now with bluetooth 5 vs headphone jacks. With Airbuds you can have a single earpiece (well, two) that provides high quality two-way audio for your macbook while working, your phone while driving, and your watch while running, and eventually your HomePod while walking around the house, and their handoff technology automatically switches between them. THAT is what they were designing towards, but they just didn't tell us that when they introduced the iPhone 7.

Is this good or bad? It depends. It is a lack of personal choice and a concession of liberty. Ted Kaczynski* would be appalled at everything Apple represents, for reasons that as a libertarian I can understand. However Apple's "abuse" of its monopolist position has allowed the creation of a highly integrated and seamless technology ecosystem that genuinely makes my life better, at some cost to my pocketbook, and could not have existed in a free market. And since no one is forced to buy Apple.. is that still a bad thing? It's definitely not black and white.

* Not someone I usually bring into conversations, but I saw Manhunt recently and it was rather thought provoking. Highly recommend watching, regardless of whether you typically enjoy police procedurals.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

#78
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but at least they don't charge premium. I paid 275 for my Moto G5, and it's about 10 times better (IMO) than the last iPhone I owned, which cost 3 times as much.

The Moto devices feel like a well kept secret in the Android community. They are all priced well and the quality is generally quite good. Its too bad that the cameras tend to be subpar, though.

I’ve been abandoned on updates by Motorola or whoever it is owned by on the current whim within a year of buying my G2 and G3 handsets. I don’t feel I can trust them or Google with my cash. Not only that Google makes it difficult to consider your privacy because at every turn there’s a trap.

And god forbid one goes wrong because the repair and aftercare service at least in the U.K. is dire. I was told a handset was water damaged after it failed. Turns out it’s shipped to a 3rd party repairer who blames it on you if they can’t fix it. I had to hit moneyclaim (small claims court) to get it back.

Ergo I bought a 6s and have had zero problems with it. It just works.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

#79
post #5

It's rather frightening that a bug as serious as this one got past Apple's QA. It seems like the list of known problems with the new Disk Utility is growing - recently there was a submission about how High Sierra's Disk Utility did not show unformatted disks.

I really hope a head rolls for this mistake. That team needs some new leadership.

It's called experience. You don't fire people with experience.

Re: If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the password hint

#80
post #5

It's rather frightening that a bug as serious as this one got past Apple's QA. It seems like the list of known problems with the new Disk Utility is growing - recently there was a submission about how High Sierra's Disk Utility did not show unformatted disks.

Perhaps they were busy testing header font sizes in iOS?

I'm fairly certain Apple can do two things at once.

This was probably introduced in the GM seed.

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