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HM Prison – A Survival Guide (2015)

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Re: HM Prison – A Survival Guide (2015)

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Archer has sold 330 million copies of his books and thus has no pressing need for money. That however is no excuse for encouraging someone to steal from a writer however successful. What else would you encourage people to thieve and from whom? Anyone who's been to prison?

330 millions copies ? Let's say for the thought experiment that it was sold only on the European continent (including Russia), it would mean that one in two people living in Europe bought a copy. I find it hard to believe !

Not this particular novel, he has written dozens.

Re: HM Prison – A Survival Guide (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Archer has sold 330 million copies of his books and thus has no pressing need for money. That however is no excuse for encouraging someone to steal from a writer however successful. What else would you encourage people to thieve and from whom? Anyone who's been to prison?

330 millions copies ? Let's say for the thought experiment that it was sold only on the European continent (including Russia), it would mean that one in two people living in Europe bought a copy. I find it hard to believe !

He’s written quite a bit more than one book (over 25). Sales are >250 million according to his website. His books are practically their own genre in the UK, if second hand shops are anything to go by.

Re: HM Prison – A Survival Guide (2015)

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Interesting system where you can bring your own things to prison instead of being forced to buy 300% price increased items from the prison commissary in N. America like clothing, fans, radios. System here is very different in other ways such as being in a 200+ inmate dorm is the standard instead of cells, and there's dozens of rules set by inmates none of which were in this guide. You also get a 'prison consultant' i…

The British prison system became increasingly chaotic during the 1980s, culminating in the notorious 25-day riot in Strangeways prison in 1990. The response was a five-month public enquiry led by Lord Woolf that prompted major reform throughout the prison system.

Perhaps the most important single change was the introduction of the Incentives and Earned Privileges scheme. Woolf recognised something that seems obvious in hindsight - prisoners on a bread-and-water regime have little incentive to comply with prison rules, because they have nothing to gain and very little to lose. Offering small luxuries like the right to wear your own clothing, access to a games console or a small amount of discretionary spending gives prisoners the opportunity to make rational choices about their own circumstances.

In 2013, the Conservative government made the catastrophic decision to "toughen up" the regime and withdraw parts of the IEP scheme, while also cutting prison expenditure and staffing ratios. The results were entirely predictable - a huge increase in prison violence and disorder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Strangeways_Prison_riot

http://www.doingtime.co.uk/how-prisons-work/how-do-prisons-a...

Re: HM Prison – A Survival Guide (2015)

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For more cheery prison reading, here's an article from a reporter who worked undercover as a guard at a private US prison: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/cca-private-pris... . IMO, the whole idea of prisons is inherently inhumane. We've really got to do better.

how to solve prisons in America: go full Liberal. states want private prisons. prisons should be to rehabilitate. so pay the prison business only if it delivers. i.e. pay private prisons on a rehabilitation rate instead of simply the number of inmates. it's not like you're expected to pay for damaged goods in a regular business transaction, so simply stop doing so with private prisons.

> prisons should be to rehabilitate

What I personally appreciate the most is the simple fact of having dangerous people confined so that the danger to others (including myself) is no longer there.

Re: HM Prison – A Survival Guide (2015)

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Interesting system where you can bring your own things to prison instead of being forced to buy 300% price increased items from the prison commissary in N. America like clothing, fans, radios. System here is very different in other ways such as being in a 200+ inmate dorm is the standard instead of cells, and there's dozens of rules set by inmates none of which were in this guide. You also get a 'prison consultant' i…

You can bring some items, but you couldn't bring a telly etc. There was talk a while back about banning books being sent to prisioners, not sure what logic was used for that one. I haven't been to prison in the UK or the US however what I've seen of both, the US system seems straight up about making money over anything else. I'd hope the UK system isn't this way although I fear it likely is going that way.

This manual indicates the UK prison system is much more like the US system than I expected. e.g. shared prison cells.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

how to solve prisons in America: go full Liberal. states want private prisons. prisons should be to rehabilitate. so pay the prison business only if it delivers. i.e. pay private prisons on a rehabilitation rate instead of simply the number of inmates. it's not like you're expected to pay for damaged goods in a regular business transaction, so simply stop doing so with private prisons.

> prisons should be to rehabilitate A lot of people, regardless of political persuasion, believe that the purpose of prisons is to punish those inside. No more, no less, and any "rehabilitation" is just something that happens alongside (and often in spite of) the real purpose.

The trouble is that punishment and rehabilitation are seen as mutually exclusive. That a "soft" prison is less punishing. But really the removal of freedom in itself is a vast punishment. Going further than that is just unceccessary and counterproductive.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

how to solve prisons in America: go full Liberal. states want private prisons. prisons should be to rehabilitate. so pay the prison business only if it delivers. i.e. pay private prisons on a rehabilitation rate instead of simply the number of inmates. it's not like you're expected to pay for damaged goods in a regular business transaction, so simply stop doing so with private prisons.

> prisons should be to rehabilitate What I personally appreciate the most is the simple fact of having dangerous people confined so that the danger to others (including myself) is no longer there.

The vast majority of people in prison are not dangerous (and, in my view at least, don't belong there), at least in the US.

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This was a fascinating read, especially as an American who is not entirely familiar with some of the slang terms. I had to look a few things up, but it was worth the time.

If you enjoyed this you might enjoy Jeffrey Archer's prison diaries - he was a British politician jailed for perjury in the 2000s who wrote up his time inside: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Prison-Diary-1-Hell/dp/0330418599

I would heartily recommend "Life at the Bottom: The Worldview That Makes the Underclass" by Dr. Theodore Dalrymple.

It gives keen insight into the cultural mindset of victimization that produces the persistent underclass. From the overview: "Theodore Dalrymple, a British psychiatrist who treats the poor in a slum hospital and a prison in England, has seemingly seen it all. Yet in listening to and observing his patients, he is continually astonished by the latest twist of depravity that exceeds even his own considerable experience. Dalrymple's key insight in Life at the Bottom is that long-term poverty is caused not by economics but by a dysfunctional set of values, one that is continually reinforced by an elite culture searching for victims. This culture persuades those at the bottom that they have no responsibility for their actions and are not the molders of their own lives."

Re: HM Prison – A Survival Guide (2015)

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Find a torrent of the book if you really want to read it don't go giving Archer any money.

Archer has sold 330 million copies of his books and thus has no pressing need for money. That however is no excuse for encouraging someone to steal from a writer however successful. What else would you encourage people to thieve and from whom? Anyone who's been to prison?

I didn't say that you should steak from someone just because they had been to prison. I suggested stealing from Jeffrey Archer because he is a bit of a cunt who has a very chequered history with the truth and is as dodgy now as he was in the past. Most recently he was likely involved in financing an attempted coup in Equitorial Guinea.

Sometimes stealing is ok, in a world where not everything is black and white an inability to distinguish grey is a flaw.

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