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Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

IvanK_net wrote: post #62
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is Edge for Windows. It's called Edge. Windows 10, is believe it or not, Windows. Any computer running Windows 7 or 8.1 can still (yes, it can) be upgraded to Windows 10 for free. So the only Windows PCs which cannot run Edge were those manufactured prior to 2009. Contrary to popular belief, there is no good reason to be running Windows 7 or 8.1. All of the telemetry anti-features were backported into those ver…

90 percent of Windows 10 users that I know updated from Windows 7 unintentionally and most of them complained about it. Such updates form Microsoft have quite bad reputation. You can't just say "Hey do this irreversible software change and trust us, that you will be satisfied". I am ready to accept it e.g. from Chrome OS, but not from Microsoft.

You can reverse any Windows 10 upgrade for 30 days, whether it was an upgrade from 7, 8.1, or a different version of Windows 10. The revert process works... most of the time.

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by dagw »

eightysixfour wrote: post #69
dagw wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using it almost exclusively on my laptop for the past few month as an experiment. And honestly it's a perfectly fine browser that basically just works as well as any other browser. That being said I cannot come up with any good argument why you should switch to using it instead of whatever you are currently using.

I switched for battery life. Chrome just crushed my laptop.

Yea, I've heard that, but I honestly have noticed a practical difference between Chrome and Edge.

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by rtpg »

ekianjo wrote: post #37
rtpg wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of our customers who were previously IE users have become Edge users. Its the new default on PCs

That's why I mentioned "because they want to", not just because it's installed by default.

I feel like it's a bit of an odd metric? It's like saying whether people want to use File Explorer. There's alternatives, but it doesn't enter the calculus of a lot of people.

It's not "do you want Edge on your phone", it's "do you want your desktop browser on your mobile" for a decent set of people, I think.

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by exikyut »

tapoxi wrote: post #61
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edge's user agent I believe is specifically chosen to look like Chrome to most websites. I believe they have said they had a lot of issues modernizing IE because people's "detect IE" hacks would assume IE still needed those hacks, and it would in fact end up breaking the website when IE improved.

Edge's user agent is almost a parody of how bad UA strings have become. Its basically claiming to be every major browser at once. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/42.0.2311.135 Safari/537.36 Edge/12.

Except Internet Explorer.

http://www.useragentstring.com/pages/useragentstring.php?nam...

IE version 6: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0b; Windows NT 5.1)

IE version 10: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/6.0)

IE versi--wait, what (?!): Mozilla/1.22 (compatible; MSIE 10.0; Windows 3.1)

That last one made me wonder if someone was trolling an auto-collection system or if a zero somehow got added by a Network™. Offtopic but had to add it.

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by exikyut »

TL;DR: it's NOT using its own engine on Android. It uses Blink there.

"On iOS, we are using the WebKit engine, as provided by iOS in the WKWebView control. That means that from a compatibility perspective, Microsoft Edge for iOS should match the version of Safari that is currently available for iOS."

"On Android, we are using the Blink rendering engine from the Chromium browser project."

Source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15408882 -> https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2017/10/05/microsoft-edg...

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by chrismbarr »

ekianjo wrote: post #44

I shall add it's funny they keep saying "Microsoft Loves Linux" but refuses to release any of their major desktop client software for Desktop Linux.

This assumes there are Linux users that actually want to use the Edge browser though

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by AndrewCHM »

mixedbit wrote: post #59

Edge is a good browser, people seem to default to criticizing it because of its infamous predecessor. We should root for Edge, it is in the open Web best interest to have several browsers sharing the market.

Its good technology-wise, but out of all the browsers I've touched, its the one that I feel like I have the least control over

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by AckSyn »

nailer wrote: post #11

Alas, visiting the signup page https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/microsoft-edge-mobil... from Edge on Windows 10 asks me to visit the page using Edge on Windows 10: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLYLTmHWsAEnlPF.jpg Update: they're looking into it: https://twitter.com/MSEdgeDev/status/915934723754516481

I attempted to do this as well, but I don't want to enroll my PC in any "insider edition" of windows.

Microsoft, if you're listening "give us a simple signup page so we can use TestFlight without having to move to an insider preview of windows". It's the most ridiculous convoluted way to sign up for testing your app I've EVER seen.

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by newscracker »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #41
IvanK_net wrote: post #29

The performance of Edge is comparable to Chrome or Firefox. It is a really great product. The sad part is, that they were keeping it Win10-only for several years. I think, that if they made Edge available for every platform and every OS earlier, they could have 20 - 50 % of the market by now. The funny part is, that there is NO EDGE FOR WINDOWS. Precisely, Edge is for Windows 10 only, which is the minority of all Win…

There is Edge for Windows. It's called Edge. Windows 10, is believe it or not, Windows. Any computer running Windows 7 or 8.1 can still (yes, it can) be upgraded to Windows 10 for free. So the only Windows PCs which cannot run Edge were those manufactured prior to 2009. Contrary to popular belief, there is no good reason to be running Windows 7 or 8.1. All of the telemetry anti-features were backported into those ver…

I’m one among many I know who upgraded my work system from Windows 7 to Windows 10 and regret it even after a year! The upgrade process was smooth, but every once in a while, it won’t allow me to login - it will just repeatedly throw an error saying my credentials are invalid (though they’re not). The solution is to try switching login methods, turn off the network, wait for several minutes or some combination of these. The number of times I’ve been away, returned to my system to get into a Skype for Business call, only to find I can no longer unlock my system is not even remotely funny anymore. I have learned to be around several minutes before any call so I can fight, if necessary, to get in! I’ve read forum posts on many sites, but don’t have any solutions. My system is set to auto-update Windows. So it’s not that I’m not on the latest or that MS has fixed it.

So no, there are very, very good reasons, IMO, to stay on Windows 7 or 8.1 (where this problem didn’t exist). I actively recommend others not to switch to Windows 10 because of this. Of course, YMMV!

Re: Announcing Microsoft Edge for iOS and Android, Microsoft Launcher

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Post by RKearney »

AndrewCHM wrote: post #77
mixedbit wrote: post #59

Edge is a good browser, people seem to default to criticizing it because of its infamous predecessor. We should root for Edge, it is in the open Web best interest to have several browsers sharing the market.

Its good technology-wise, but out of all the browsers I've touched, its the one that I feel like I have the least control over

One of the biggest reasons I can't use Edge is I think it's impossible to actually inspect an HTTPS certificate.
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