It will be interesting if the nobel committee give another Nobel Peace Prize to China ;)
China Forces Norway to Adhere to ‘One China’ Policy
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Re: China Forces Norway to Adhere to ‘One China’ Policy
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't understand the problem with the word forcing here. If you take your kid's xbox to make them clean their room then yeah, you are forcing them to do it.
No you are not. They can decide to live without it.
Ha! Now that would be something. So China is not forcing Norway because Norway can just choose to not trade with China? That's some extremely bizzare logic there.
Re: China Forces Norway to Adhere to ‘One China’ Policy
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Forcing would be done via a military operation leaving little choice. Blackmail, threats, deceit, etc are other ways to force. Not saying that occurred here, just that your definition has a narrow scope.
Id rather say you are narrowing the scope of free will. Succumbing to pressure is not the same as being forced.
Being forced IS succumbing to pressure
Re: China Forces Norway to Adhere to ‘One China’ Policy
#24An interesting detail left out of the article is that Norway's neighbor Iceland ended up signing a free-trade agreement with China in 2013, both Norway and Iceland had negotiations underway in 2010 when China broke ties with Norway. Norway and Iceland are both EEA members, effectively with one foot in the EU, Iceland was the first European country to sign such an agreement with China. Norway and Iceland having free-t…
Norway at least have no current interest in EU membership. Support for EU membership has for a long time been so low (last year polls indicated 71% no, compared to an almost even result in the '94 referendum) that there's no prospect of another EU referendum anytime soon.
Re: China Forces Norway to Adhere to ‘One China’ Policy
#25There are two notable points in this piece: 1) China suspended normal diplomatic relations with Norway, tossed out a free trade agreement, largely shut down fishing imports from the country and made it far more difficult for Norwegians to get visas to travel study or work in China. All of this was because of an activist being awarded a Nobel Peace Prize, which is process controlled a foundation, not directly by the N…
Nobel Peace Prize, which is process controlled a private family, not by the Norwegian government.
Not entirely true. First of all the Nobel Foundation is completely independent of the Nobel family and has been since the start. Secondly while the Committee that decides who gets the peace prize is technically independent of the Norwegian government, it is appointed by the Norwegian government and many of its members have always been former Norwegian politicians (a former prime mister of Norway, for example, sat on the committee that gave the prize to Liu Xiaobo).
Re: China Forces Norway to Adhere to ‘One China’ Policy
#26There are two notable points in this piece: 1) China suspended normal diplomatic relations with Norway, tossed out a free trade agreement, largely shut down fishing imports from the country and made it far more difficult for Norwegians to get visas to travel study or work in China. All of this was because of an activist being awarded a Nobel Peace Prize, which is process controlled a foundation, not directly by the N…
Nobel Peace Prize, which is process controlled a private family, not by the Norwegian government. Not entirely true. First of all the Nobel Foundation is completely independent of the Nobel family and has been since the start. Secondly while the Committee that decides who gets the peace prize is technically independent of the Norwegian government, it is appointed by the Norwegian government and many of its members ha…
Thanks. I hadn't realized it was such a thin technicality. I just updated the comment.
Re: China Forces Norway to Adhere to ‘One China’ Policy
#27I dont understand the word Forcing here. Norway had a choice to continue denying The one China policy. Putting pressure on Norway thru various means is not forcing. Forcing would be done via a military operation leaving little choice.
Applying pressure that is irresistible is the literal definition of forcing. So yes, China was definitely forcing Norway to recognize Taiwan and Hong Kong as a being a part of China.
But here the pressure wasn't "irresistible"; they were not being threatened or attacked. They would just be making less money than they do this way. I hardly call that irresistible.
Re: China Forces Norway to Adhere to ‘One China’ Policy
#28There are two notable points in this piece: 1) China suspended normal diplomatic relations with Norway, tossed out a free trade agreement, largely shut down fishing imports from the country and made it far more difficult for Norwegians to get visas to travel study or work in China. All of this was because of an activist being awarded a Nobel Peace Prize, which is process controlled a foundation, not directly by the N…
Nobel Peace Prize, which is process controlled a private family, not by the Norwegian government. Not entirely true. First of all the Nobel Foundation is completely independent of the Nobel family and has been since the start. Secondly while the Committee that decides who gets the peace prize is technically independent of the Norwegian government, it is appointed by the Norwegian government and many of its members ha…
I thought that prize stopped mattering when Obama got it just because he was black?
Re: China Forces Norway to Adhere to ‘One China’ Policy
#29An interesting detail left out of the article is that Norway's neighbor Iceland ended up signing a free-trade agreement with China in 2013, both Norway and Iceland had negotiations underway in 2010 when China broke ties with Norway. Norway and Iceland are both EEA members, effectively with one foot in the EU, Iceland was the first European country to sign such an agreement with China. Norway and Iceland having free-t…
Norway at least have no current interest in EU membership. Support for EU membership has for a long time been so low (last year polls indicated 71% no, compared to an almost even result in the '94 referendum) that there's no prospect of another EU referendum anytime soon.
I agree with your comment, but given the tone / details of the questions you answer to I would like to add "... Compared to their current situation".
Norway's low will to join the EU as full member is not because they don't like it or are moving away from it , but because they already have everything they want from it, and a few exceptions specifically "for them" in a custom made package they're fine paying the price of.
They pretty much have a "vanity membership, gold level"
Re: China Forces Norway to Adhere to ‘One China’ Policy
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
No you are not. They can decide to live without it.
Ha! Now that would be something. So China is not forcing Norway because Norway can just choose to not trade with China? That's some extremely bizzare logic there.
Well, yes? They could choose to put their foot down instead of bending over backwards in appeasement. They they would trade with everybody else in the world but China. They chose not to go that way, but unless trade with China is a critical, indispensable part of their survival, no, they were not forced.