Huh, there’s a bug on the site, the article is dated “Oct 14 2017”, and I did a double take and checked the date on my phone.
The jailing of Hong Kong’s young pro-democracy leaders
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#12>Wong is open about his Christian faith and how it catalyzed his activism against Beijing’s tightening control over Hong Kong.
Christianity's role in Chinese society is interesting.
There are something like 100 million christians in China, and based off of stories from friends, a lot of cults in that space as well. A lot of organizations play off of that. For example multi-level marketing stuff talk a lot about being children of God in their sessions in China.
Considering how Christianity affects decision-making in the west, I wonder if this will in fact drive major change politically in China as well.
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#13We knew this going in. We decided to trade human rights and to empower an authoritarian government for cheap pants and blood-electronics. I’ve prayed just now, but I did so with a new iPad Pro 12.9” in my lap. I have no idea how to help.
Are you referring to Nixon/Kissinger opening up a bit with China or Clinton (mostly?) opening up trade with China or the whole process? IIRC the UK only had a 99 year lease on Hong Kong due to the western powers winning the Opium Wars and it had to go back to mainland China (unless the UK wanted to go to war again I suppose) so I was always kind of fatalistic about the fate of Hong Kong under China - it was always going to resemble the mainland governance at some point.
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#14>Wong is open about his Christian faith and how it catalyzed his activism against Beijing’s tightening control over Hong Kong. Christianity's role in Chinese society is interesting. There are something like 100 million christians in China, and based off of stories from friends, a lot of cults in that space as well. A lot of organizations play off of that. For example multi-level marketing stuff talk a lot about being…
100 million isn't anywhere close to what I've seen reports of before, and I can't imagine it being true. Do you have any non-religiously motivated sources for that claim?
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#15The article struck me as strangely religious in nature. Then the front page of the website showed what seemed to be a few more religious issues (assisted suicide, abortion), related articles as well. Their about page is a wall of vague text, but one of the main topic categories being "abortion" leads me to believe this is a news site centering around religious issues?
Would appreciate someone filling me in on what sort of publication this is, if possible.
Re: The jailing of Hong Kong’s young pro-democracy leaders
#16The article struck me as strangely religious in nature. Then the front page of the website showed what seemed to be a few more religious issues (assisted suicide, abortion), related articles as well. Their about page is a wall of vague text, but one of the main topic categories being "abortion" leads me to believe this is a news site centering around religious issues? Would appreciate someone filling me in on what so…
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#17Huh, there’s a bug on the site, the article is dated “Oct 14 2017”, and I did a double take and checked the date on my phone.
That's not uncommon in paper magazines; presumably that's the date when the paper issue will be released.
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#18I wish that HN titles were more explanatory - "Beijing's Heavy Hand", it refers to what?
How are people going to get better at English if we remove all the parts of the language that make it colorful and expressive?
Nobody suggested to remove any part of the English language in this topic.
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#19We knew this going in. We decided to trade human rights and to empower an authoritarian government for cheap pants and blood-electronics. I’ve prayed just now, but I did so with a new iPad Pro 12.9” in my lap. I have no idea how to help.
I think the common understanding before 2000 was that as China developed, it would open up and 'have no choice' but to gradually move towards liberalization and democracy.
That was actually the plan.
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#20>Wong is open about his Christian faith and how it catalyzed his activism against Beijing’s tightening control over Hong Kong. Christianity's role in Chinese society is interesting. There are something like 100 million christians in China, and based off of stories from friends, a lot of cults in that space as well. A lot of organizations play off of that. For example multi-level marketing stuff talk a lot about being…
> I wonder if this will in fact drive major change politically in China as well.
It will change 0 politically in China.
Firstly, 100 million would be close to 1 in 15 people being Christian, and Christianity is nowhere near that popular in China.
That aside, even if it did get so popular that it started to become a threat (in terms of wielding political influence), Beijing would simply shut it down.
See for example Falungong, which was estimated to have upwards of 70 million practitioners and was allowed (and even encouraged) for a time, but as their influence and their unwillingness to submit in anyway to government interference grew, so did tensions between the two groups, culminating in Falungong supporters staging a protest surrounding the entire central government compound of Zhongnanhai with > 10,000 supporters.
The government began work to suppress and dismantle Falungong almost overnight.