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Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by dctoedt »

bluGill wrote: post #173
eeereerews wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was no such study. Galileo showed this was false with the following famous thought experiment : Suppose it were true. Join a heavy rock and a light rock by a cord and drop them from a tower. If the light rock falls slower, eventually the cord will be pulled taut and retard the fall of the heavier, so this system falls more slowly than the heavy rock alone. But the system is heavier than the heavy rock alone, so…

Maybe Galileo did not, but others have. The gold standard is a model that explains that behavior, and experimental studies that work as the model predicts. The model that big ricks fall faster makes sense, but it isn't backed by experiences. Many studies have seemed to show something but in fact the authors just didn't realize they had to control for something important (sometimes an accident, sometimes outright scie…

> Maybe Galileo did not, but others have.

"The experiment did take place in Delft in 16th century the Netherlands, when the mathematician and physicist Simon Stevin and Jan Cornets de Groot (the father of Hugo de Groot) conducted the experiment from the top of the Nieuwe Kerk."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo%27s_Leaning_Tower_of_P...

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by Retric »

StillBored wrote: post #187
Retric wrote: post #119

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That's fairly contrived. Schools are already very segregated by affluence and buss routes need to handle every student outside of walking distance. So, the net result is mostly just empty buses, and wasted gas.

Walking distance being two miles in the last couple places I lived... Which is probably fine for high school in areas with decent weather, and somewhat rural. OTOH though, we have elementary schools in urban/suburban areas where 1/2 of the population of the school falls within the 2 mile radius (great saves money on busing!). Combined with high speed traffic, questionable neighborhoods, bad weather, a tendency toward…

Driving kids less than 2 miles to school is a schedule issue, but not the kind of time sink described. It's also reasonable if a parrent happens to dive by school on the way to work etc. I simply object to the idea that having kids ride the bus is somehow an issue.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by dctoedt »

Cyph0n wrote: post #56
bluGill wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because only well designed studies can show a truth. It is obviously the case that when you drop a big rock and a little rock at the same time the big rock will hit the ground first. Because we have a study we know this to be false even though it is obvious.

Well, that particular scenario is false only when there is no air resistance (nowhere on this planet?). More importantly, it wasn't just a "study" that figured out the law of gravitation.

> no air resistance (nowhere on this planet?)

In 1971, Apollo 15 astronaut David Scott repeated the experiment on the lunar surface with a hammer and a feather. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo%27s_Leaning_Tower_of_P... (includes a link to a video clip; jump to about 0:35).

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by CalRobert »

ako wrote: post #54
_qbjt wrote: post #17

This is one of the reasons I hate the eight-hour work day. Between that and all of the other shit you have to do in a day (commute, chores, eating, exercise etc.), it seems like there's little to no opportunity to just have a life. I know it sounds like first world problems (people used to work 100 hour weeks), but I think our culture needs to change before we can really put the onus on people to improve their sleepi…

Wait till you have kids, then you realize how much time you had to just have a life...

Kid is 7 weeks old and have literally just found 40 minutes to work on a side project for the first time in a week.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by eric_h »

ChemicalWarfare wrote: post #77
_qbjt wrote: post #17

This is one of the reasons I hate the eight-hour work day. Between that and all of the other shit you have to do in a day (commute, chores, eating, exercise etc.), it seems like there's little to no opportunity to just have a life. I know it sounds like first world problems (people used to work 100 hour weeks), but I think our culture needs to change before we can really put the onus on people to improve their sleepi…

for me personally the bigger issue is the actual 9-5ish work hours. I'm way more productive later in the day, so if the schedule would allow something like a Noon-4 pm/break/8 pm -midnight type breakdown I'm all for that. this is sometimes possible with telecommuting arrangements, whenever I'm able to do that I'm more productive, more rested and feel like my personal work/life balance is better.

I was having a conversation with my boss at lunch today - and he made a joke how the difference between our respective sleep/activity schedules is basically the same as the difference between our schedules on the east coast of the USA and our team overseas (he's a morning person, I'm not and have never been).

I told him I'd never again work at a job that required me to be there at 9am, because I'm effectively useless before 11am, completely independent of how much sleep I've had the night before. The only plus side, I joked, was that even though I'd only gotten 4-6 productive hours of work done, no one batted an eye when I left at 5pm, since I'd been there since 9.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by rxhernandez »

fapjacks wrote: post #103
r00fus wrote: post #100

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The commute and school dropoffs are the real lifestyle killer I think. Imagine having an extra 5-15h a week to hang out and do things. Imagine having that much more sleep (if you happen to be burning the midnight oil a lot). I used to remember my parents letting me walk to the school bus stop (near our apartment) and then walking to work or taking the bus themselves. Nowadays we pack the kids into the car drop them o…

Honest question: Why do people do this with the school pickup/dropoff? What is the point of that? Do schools still have buses?

Many private schools don't have buses.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by CalRobert »

magic_beans wrote: post #151
jdavis703 wrote: post #140

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* You can collapse your commute and exercise in to one activity. * You either pre-cook meals on the weekend, or utilize a meal substitute like Soylent (or both) * Most chores involve cleaning things that just get dirty as part of their normal use, if you shower and spend most of your "toilet time" at work, you automatically have someone who's going to clean up after you.

This lifestyle sounds unbelievably dreary and sad.

What, biking to work and showering there? It's heavenly.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by rxhernandez »

jff wrote: post #164
fapjacks wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question: Why do people do this with the school pickup/dropoff? What is the point of that? Do schools still have buses?

When I was in school (90s and early 2000s), it would have been considered extremely embarrassing to have your mom drop you off and pick you up every day. I think it was about the time I graduated that things began to shift. When I was in elementary school, the was nowhere for parents to pull up curb-side and get the kids. By the time I finished high school, the elementary school had blocked off half the curb-side int…

When I was in school in Los Angeles during the same time period there was no bus to take you to a private school.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by nroach »

mxuribe wrote: post #70
_qbjt wrote: post #17

This is one of the reasons I hate the eight-hour work day. Between that and all of the other shit you have to do in a day (commute, chores, eating, exercise etc.), it seems like there's little to no opportunity to just have a life. I know it sounds like first world problems (people used to work 100 hour weeks), but I think our culture needs to change before we can really put the onus on people to improve their sleepi…

I'm with you all the way! I hear people talk about optimizing one's day to be more productive and "get more done in your day" so often...but honestly, between work, family responsibilities, working out a little in the gym, getting involved in side projects (either "working on the car", or working on side dev project), maybe some civic community involvement, social visits (the occasional beer with a buddy), etc...it j…

Bear in mind that we segment our activity more in "modern" society. For example, in agrarian societies you didn't need to carve out time for exercise. Work was exercise. You also didn't need to carve out time for child care, because children worked alongside adults much of the time. And commuting wasn't really an issue when workplaces and residences were in the same community with minimal geographic separation.

It's our societal lifestyle that has demanded separate time for separate activities, resulting in a need for a greater than 24-hour day.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by leekyle333 »

_qbjt wrote: post #17

This is one of the reasons I hate the eight-hour work day. Between that and all of the other shit you have to do in a day (commute, chores, eating, exercise etc.), it seems like there's little to no opportunity to just have a life. I know it sounds like first world problems (people used to work 100 hour weeks), but I think our culture needs to change before we can really put the onus on people to improve their sleepi…

I think the most annoying part of the 8 hour work day is that a vast majority of people aren't actually working close to 8 hours. There's a lot of talking and looking at mindless stuff. My friend worked for IBM in the finance department and he streamed every world cup game. Got a promotion too.
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