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Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Wait till you have kids, then you realize how much time you had to just have a life...

So then why would I have kids?

Millions of years of biological imperative. The fact that you are here is proof that your ancestors were successful at procreating. Its in your genes (and your jeans).

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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If you feel groggy in the morning or just not well–rested even after 7-8 hours sleep, get your sinuses & lungs checked. Could be sleep apnea, but in my case I felt congested all the time. What I thought was allergies was actually the linings of my sinuses inflamed to the point of closing off air passages. Unclear if the root cause in my case was acid-reflux into the sinus cavities or exposure to dust from ground zero…

I've always suspected I have a problem like this but couldn't ever get a doctor to help. Prior to treatment, did your sinuses open up completely during hard aerobic exercise and then feel like they slam shut as soon as you were done?

I'm interested as well. Despite the fact that I take similar allergy medications, I find that as soon as my head hits the pillow my nasal passages close. It's really frustrating.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Actually, studies have shown that hunter-gatherer societies spent much less than 40h/week "working" and had more leisure time than we do. It's just recent history that's an anomaly...

Studies on same people suggest 6-6.5 hours of sleep per day was the norm, though. It questions the recent claims that adults "need" more.

For long periods of time humans were malnourished, didn't wear proper shoes, didn't have proper beds, and didn't bathe properly. Just because it was done in the past and people survived doesn't mean it's necessarily the best way to go about things.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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The commute and school dropoffs are the real lifestyle killer I think. Imagine having an extra 5-15h a week to hang out and do things. Imagine having that much more sleep (if you happen to be burning the midnight oil a lot). I used to remember my parents letting me walk to the school bus stop (near our apartment) and then walking to work or taking the bus themselves. Nowadays we pack the kids into the car drop them o…

Honest question: Why do people do this with the school pickup/dropoff? What is the point of that? Do schools still have buses?

When I was in school (90s and early 2000s), it would have been considered extremely embarrassing to have your mom drop you off and pick you up every day. I think it was about the time I graduated that things began to shift. When I was in elementary school, the was nowhere for parents to pull up curb-side and get the kids. By the time I finished high school, the elementary school had blocked off half the curb-side into a separate loop for parents to pick up/drop off kids.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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* You can collapse your commute and exercise in to one activity. * You either pre-cook meals on the weekend, or utilize a meal substitute like Soylent (or both) * Most chores involve cleaning things that just get dirty as part of their normal use, if you shower and spend most of your "toilet time" at work, you automatically have someone who's going to clean up after you.

This lifestyle sounds unbelievably dreary and sad.

In what possible way? Biking or walking to work is "dreary and sad"? Spending less time cooking so you can spend more time doing exciting and fun activities is "dreary and sad"? Pooping at the office is "dreary and sad"?

What kind of life do you lead where being stuck in traffic, daily meal preparation, and shitting on your own toilet is a constant thrill ride?

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> with friends to socialize Or, sometimes, rival tribes to fight with and kill -- not everything is (necessarily) hunky-dory in every tribal society.

Well, the history of killing each other (and others!) in western civilization is nothing to brag about.

If you think it's just western civilization, you haven't spent much time looking at non-western civilizations.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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This is one of the reasons I hate the eight-hour work day. Between that and all of the other shit you have to do in a day (commute, chores, eating, exercise etc.), it seems like there's little to no opportunity to just have a life. I know it sounds like first world problems (people used to work 100 hour weeks), but I think our culture needs to change before we can really put the onus on people to improve their sleepi…

> people used to work 100 hour weeks Many people still work +100 hour weeks - just not all for their primary paying jobs. Raising children, side projects, home repair, etc..

Well if we're defining it like that, literally everything is a job so people work 24/7.

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This is one of the reasons I hate the eight-hour work day. Between that and all of the other shit you have to do in a day (commute, chores, eating, exercise etc.), it seems like there's little to no opportunity to just have a life. I know it sounds like first world problems (people used to work 100 hour weeks), but I think our culture needs to change before we can really put the onus on people to improve their sleepi…

I'm with you all the way! I hear people talk about optimizing one's day to be more productive and "get more done in your day" so often...but honestly, between work, family responsibilities, working out a little in the gym, getting involved in side projects (either "working on the car", or working on side dev project), maybe some civic community involvement, social visits (the occasional beer with a buddy), etc...it j…

In my case, it's the exercise :-)

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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> with friends to socialize Or, sometimes, rival tribes to fight with and kill -- not everything is (necessarily) hunky-dory in every tribal society.

I have little knowledge about the truth here but I'd heard that this sort of warring stuff only ramped up after agriculture became common, no? Why kill other tribes' members unless they have a hoard of food? I suppose "to reduce competition" is one answer, but if everyone can hunt/gather for enough food, the motivation seems reduced. OTOH if I can ignore preparation for winter and just raid your village for grain sto…

The Hobbsian trap: kill them before they kill you.

Minor motivations and proximity are enough to set it off. And thereare plenty of motivations anyway: fighting over good hunting areas, water, gathering areas, and women.

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This is one of the reasons I hate the eight-hour work day. Between that and all of the other shit you have to do in a day (commute, chores, eating, exercise etc.), it seems like there's little to no opportunity to just have a life. I know it sounds like first world problems (people used to work 100 hour weeks), but I think our culture needs to change before we can really put the onus on people to improve their sleepi…

I'm with you all the way! I hear people talk about optimizing one's day to be more productive and "get more done in your day" so often...but honestly, between work, family responsibilities, working out a little in the gym, getting involved in side projects (either "working on the car", or working on side dev project), maybe some civic community involvement, social visits (the occasional beer with a buddy), etc...it j…

Automation never results in more leisure. It results in more specialized work and increased workloads. The sentiment expressed in the first line is why I intend to stay working remotely for as long as possible. I hated the fact I saw a drab grey cubicle farm more than my house and family.
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