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Post by hobbyjogger »

mullingitover wrote: post #170

I witnessed my girlfriend's Nexus 6p support experience with Google and it was not pretty. I would never buy a Google phone after that. The phone, just barely out of warranty, goes into a bootloop and becomes a paperweight. Google helpfully shrugs the problem off on Huawei, and Huawei will of course not support the product since it's out of warranty. There is no repair option. I tried Android early on, had similarly…

My experience with Nexus 6p support was very different. I bought my 6P at launch in 2015, it ran perfectly for a year and a half and then I noticed that it shut down at around 15% battery a couple of times. One phone call to Google, despite the fact that I was out of warranty, and then 2 days later a brand new Pixel XL (last year's model) showed up in an overnight FedEx. Could not be more pleased.

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Post by FireBeyond »

euyyn wrote: post #316
matwood wrote: post #225

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> Did she buy it from google? Why should that matter? My wife's iPhone was purchased from TMO. It had an issue so she took it into an Apple store and she came out with a new phone 10 minutes later.

> she took it into an Apple store What the parent is saying is that's precisely the difference. Your wife brought her phone to the manufacturer. The Nexus phones were not manufactured by Google. If I don't buy it from the Google store, my buying didn't establish a commercial relationship with them. The Pixel phones, though, are manufactured by Google. Disclaimer: Even though I'm a Google employee I have no idea how t…

How is a Google phone, manufactured by Huawei ...

any different from an Apple phone, manufactured by FoxConn?

Apple wasn't the manufacturer at all.

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Post by WillPostForFood »

lambda_lover wrote: post #309
criddell wrote: post #252

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Yes. It uses less power than driving headphones.

Evidence seems hard to come by on this subject, but a web search yields a lot of results along these lines: https://www.quora.com/Which-uses-less-battery-for-a-car-audi... It's hardly a scientific study, but it reinforces my prior belief that aux doesn't inherently require any electricity, while bluetooth is sending information over radio waves which of course has to use electricity. I'm not sure about the difference…

AUX has to send electricity down the wire to drive the speakers in headphones. The Quora article you link to is weirdly written but confirms this, "the signal is from your phone and your phone uses it's battery to make it." I.e., headphones work by taking electricity from your phone and converting it to sound.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by macandcheese »

c0smic wrote: post #339

When they mentioned the headphone jack being removed, I thought it was a joke. I have a 6S now and was considering getting the Pixel, in part because of the headphone jack and also for the more "open" ecosystem of Android (and things not proprietary-Apple). But now it's basically the same, so there's less motivation for me there. I just think Google could've swooped in and gotten the people who still appreciate headp…

Pretty much have to stick to iPhone 6S for the rest of my life... So disappointing to see possibly THE ONLY universal port - the 3.5mm aux - be removed from devices before our eyes. I wonder what the adoption rate on Bluetooth / Lightning / USBC headphones is. Can't imagine more than 5% or so.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by coob »

lambda_lover wrote: post #309
criddell wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. It uses less power than driving headphones.

Evidence seems hard to come by on this subject, but a web search yields a lot of results along these lines: https://www.quora.com/Which-uses-less-battery-for-a-car-audi... It's hardly a scientific study, but it reinforces my prior belief that aux doesn't inherently require any electricity, while bluetooth is sending information over radio waves which of course has to use electricity. I'm not sure about the difference…

> aux doesn't inherently require any electricit

Yes I'm sure those headphone drivers magically shake themselves.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by kuschku »

Akujin wrote: post #334
kuschku wrote: post #318

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Google just dropped support for the Nexus 5X and 6P, for unknown reasons. I hate it. Now I have no options left. (I need a device that will get android developer previews)

I'm so done with Google. This would be like Microsoft ending security updates for Windows 8.1 after only two years. By the way you can get a custom rom from here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/development

Yes, but I need to support apps.

Some of my users are on Pixel devices and will get Android 9.0 the day it is released, while in best case, the source code only drops a week later. So assuming it takes me 10 minutes to fix all bugs, my app might crash for a week.

Realistically, my apps would be at least a month unusable.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by smileysteve »

kpxxx3 wrote: post #113
eropple wrote: post #66

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It's great that they work well for you, but AirPods and the like don't work well for me at all. The audio quality drop is noticeable to me; interference is a perpetual problem even when I'm just walking down the street or walking through my apartment . Bluetooth on both Android and iOS is clunky and annoying (and it's not totally their fault, the devices and the protocol have something to say about that) that the phy…

> The audio quality drop is noticeable to me. I'm not going to get into an audiophile/golden ear flamewar, but I am always skeptical of this claim. Yes, SBC is not the world's best, but it supports bitrates upto 500 kbit/s. I'm not going to claim it is completely transparent, but 9 times out of 10 it is being used with shitty bluetooth headphones (where the alternative is shitty wired headphones)... at that point the…

The airpods themselves, sold as a premium experience, lack the additional comfort and noise isolation of quality headphones.

The mere prevalence of people enjoying the stock iphone, ipod, cheap airline, and wireless headphones -- versus isolation quality you can get in a $20 pair of sony's suggests I'm a minority when it comes to audio quality.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by criddell »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #343
lambda_lover wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evidence seems hard to come by on this subject, but a web search yields a lot of results along these lines: https://www.quora.com/Which-uses-less-battery-for-a-car-audi... It's hardly a scientific study, but it reinforces my prior belief that aux doesn't inherently require any electricity, while bluetooth is sending information over radio waves which of course has to use electricity. I'm not sure about the difference…

AUX has to send electricity down the wire to drive the speakers in headphones. The Quora article you link to is weirdly written but confirms this, "the signal is from your phone and your phone uses it's battery to make it." I.e., headphones work by taking electricity from your phone and converting it to sound.

The Quora article also mentions car audio. In a car, Bluetooth uses more power than a 3.5 mm cable plugged into an AUX port on the head unit.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by izzydata »

I love my Nexus 5X, but the high end phone market has no appeal to me. I don't need a phone that can do 5% more and cost 150% more. I'm not sure why anyone needs a phone like this really.

Perhaps the Nexus 5X is only good because it is basically an LG G phone.

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Post by eropple »

zenojevski wrote: post #266
__sha3d2 wrote: post #173

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"I'm sure you can put up with this massive inconvenience for a job and workflow I have no understanding of or context for but sure do have an opinion on" Found the SWE!

I say you are committing the same sin exactly. The audio industry is the most adapter-heavy industry on the planet. I need to carry a bag of adapters, and I'm just a small-time home-recording guy. Single/double RCA to mono/stereo big/small jack, double mono/stereo big/small jack to stereo/mono small/big jack, the other way around, and more, you name it. Even if you got a 3.5mm jack, you’d still need adapters, because…

A 3.5-to-1/4 adapter or cable is a difference of kind to a Lightning or USB adapter. One costs me a couple bucks, is electrical, and in a pinch I can even repair it in the field. The other costs me no doubt more (and I say "no doubt" because I can't even find one for an Android device, and that's before we get into compatibility-matrix craziness), is digital, and is a black box to me.
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