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Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by magic_beans »

jdavis703 wrote: post #140
schmidty wrote: post #105

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commute - work someplace closer. or get remote work. chores - have less stuff to maintain. eating - not sure what can be done here. exercise - look into tabata or hiit. you can workout 2x20min a week. you can also find way to be more efficient with your activities to cut off time on each one, even if you keep it. sure none of these suggestions is without cost. but these suggestions can be enacted to the end goal of m…

* You can collapse your commute and exercise in to one activity. * You either pre-cook meals on the weekend, or utilize a meal substitute like Soylent (or both) * Most chores involve cleaning things that just get dirty as part of their normal use, if you shower and spend most of your "toilet time" at work, you automatically have someone who's going to clean up after you.

This lifestyle sounds unbelievably dreary and sad.

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Post by [deleted] »

wmil wrote: post #39
lutorm wrote: post #25

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Actually, studies have shown that hunter-gatherer societies spent much less than 40h/week "working" and had more leisure time than we do. It's just recent history that's an anomaly...

Not only that, but the 40h/week ignores commutes. For some people that's an additional 15h/week. Also hunger-gatherers lived right beside the people they knew. They just had to step outside to meet up with friends to socialize.

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Post by LordKano »

fapjacks wrote: post #133
jasonmp85 wrote: post #84

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I have little knowledge about the truth here but I'd heard that this sort of warring stuff only ramped up after agriculture became common, no? Why kill other tribes' members unless they have a hoard of food? I suppose "to reduce competition" is one answer, but if everyone can hunt/gather for enough food, the motivation seems reduced. OTOH if I can ignore preparation for winter and just raid your village for grain sto…

Humans are Klingons. We in the developed world are currently living in a very strange universe unlike any before it in the history of humankind. Previous to the peaceful, violence-free lifestyle most people enjoy in the West everyone was pressed into sustaining the human war machine. American Indians had a long history of inter-tribal warfare to rival any European combat. It's just what humans do. Our apex societal v…

Humans are also Ferengi. Acquisition of wealth over all else. Humans are Vulcans too. Out logical selves in conflict with our emotions.

I have always loved how Star Trek aliens are a reflection of some part of humanity.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by magic_beans »

LogicX wrote: post #35
frozenport wrote: post #19

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The point is that people who claim to function on six are unable to correctly judge their capabilities and are most likely wrong about that claim.

Anecdote is not data, but I have not set an alarm for many years - I sleep 5-6 hours (only 5 since I went vegan) and I wake up on my own, refreshed. Occasionally I’m tired, I take a nap. I don’t do coffee, I have unsweetened tea but don’t go nuts on caffeine, social drinking. I don’t feel any need to ‘sleep in’ on weekends. Yes, I work from home and own my own company, so I have the luxury of taking a nap in the midd…

Eating at a calorie deficit often results in a reduced need for sleep.

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Post by epc »

zten wrote: post #138
epc wrote: post #24

If you feel groggy in the morning or just not well–rested even after 7-8 hours sleep, get your sinuses & lungs checked. Could be sleep apnea, but in my case I felt congested all the time. What I thought was allergies was actually the linings of my sinuses inflamed to the point of closing off air passages. Unclear if the root cause in my case was acid-reflux into the sinus cavities or exposure to dust from ground zero…

I've always suspected I have a problem like this but couldn't ever get a doctor to help. Prior to treatment, did your sinuses open up completely during hard aerobic exercise and then feel like they slam shut as soon as you were done?

No. The only thing that helped a bit was the saline spray the ENTs use, which I suspect had some mild steroids. That would help sinuses open for a few hours.

The symptoms, in retrospect, were the constant feeling of a stuffy noise and headaches during air pressure changes like sudden altitude changes while flying (gradual ascent/descent didn’t bother me most of the time).

My doctor initially declared I had sleep apnea, only after that test did he refer me to an ENT who diagnosed it in a few minutes with some sort of scope they stick up your nasal passages.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by magic_beans »

exhilaration wrote: post #73
ForRealsies wrote: post #7

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I recommend a 'Sleep' app on your phone. I set it to 7am and it'll wake me up anywhere from 6:30-7, depending on my sleep cycle. Never felt drowsy on 6:30 days.

How does an app predict your sleep cycle? Do you have the keep phone on you?

It tracks your sound or movement (either via the microphone or the accelerometer) as you sleep to determine your sleep cycles. You set a baseline of typical sleep for 5 days, and after that the app can predict when to wake you up.

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Post by eduren »

ako wrote: post #54
_qbjt wrote: post #17

This is one of the reasons I hate the eight-hour work day. Between that and all of the other shit you have to do in a day (commute, chores, eating, exercise etc.), it seems like there's little to no opportunity to just have a life. I know it sounds like first world problems (people used to work 100 hour weeks), but I think our culture needs to change before we can really put the onus on people to improve their sleepi…

Wait till you have kids, then you realize how much time you had to just have a life...

So then why would I have kids?

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Post by onychomys »

ako wrote: post #54
_qbjt wrote: post #17

This is one of the reasons I hate the eight-hour work day. Between that and all of the other shit you have to do in a day (commute, chores, eating, exercise etc.), it seems like there's little to no opportunity to just have a life. I know it sounds like first world problems (people used to work 100 hour weeks), but I think our culture needs to change before we can really put the onus on people to improve their sleepi…

Wait till you have kids, then you realize how much time you had to just have a life...

No kidding. Mine are 4 and 1.5, and my hobbies now include watching Paw Patrol, being the starting gun for pee races, and picking up toys in rooms that were clean an hour before. I think back on the days where I could play video games or practice the guitar with such fondness.

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Post by k__ »

nrclark wrote: post #52
nikkwong wrote: post #40

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I was just diagnosed with sleep apnea this week after it wreaked havoc on my personal and professional life for the last 6. I couldn't work, couldn't engage in anything. Now I'm pretty much terrified to go to sleep every night as I know I'm probably not going to get any rest and wake up zombified. I heard the surgery was a hit or miss. Would you recommend?

No opinion on the surgery, but you might try a CPAP machine! I have a family member whose epiglottis was damaged in surgery, and she developed really bad sleep apnea as a result. It took her a solid year of being a zombie before she figured out what was happening and why. She bought a CPAP, and it's made a huge difference in her quality of life. So if you're looking to try out a non-surgical fix while you ponder a su…

These machines look rather uncomfortable :/

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Post by irrational »

ams6110 wrote: post #66
njarboe wrote: post #51

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Some people feel that humans have evolved over millions of years to do well in hunter-gatherer tribes and we have not genetically adapted yet in 6,000? years of civilization. If we think returning some habits of hunter-gatherer tribes would be beneficial, then we need to know what they are/were and not just wild-ass guess based on the Nobel Savage myth.

Many of the habits of hunter-gatherers would likely be absolutely unacceptable in today's culture. They were likely violently clannish/racist, completely male-dominated, hierarchical based on physical strength and appearance, and believed in gods/supernatural phenomenon.

Wait... violently clannish? So... Democrats vs Republicans? Violently racist? I think I remember something about that from the recent news. Completely male-dominated. Lets see, how many politicians, movie directors, CEOs, etc. are filled by males? Hmmm. Hierarchical based of physical appearance? Um... calling all pop stars and Kardashians. Believe in God. Something like 80+% of Americans. I'm super confused on what part of this is supposed to be absolutely unacceptable in today's culture. You have some serious blinders on or an unbelievable amount of naivete if you believe that.
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