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Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by nradov »

mxuribe wrote: post #70
_qbjt wrote: post #17

This is one of the reasons I hate the eight-hour work day. Between that and all of the other shit you have to do in a day (commute, chores, eating, exercise etc.), it seems like there's little to no opportunity to just have a life. I know it sounds like first world problems (people used to work 100 hour weeks), but I think our culture needs to change before we can really put the onus on people to improve their sleepi…

I'm with you all the way! I hear people talk about optimizing one's day to be more productive and "get more done in your day" so often...but honestly, between work, family responsibilities, working out a little in the gym, getting involved in side projects (either "working on the car", or working on side dev project), maybe some civic community involvement, social visits (the occasional beer with a buddy), etc...it j…

Increased automation allows for more leisure time for those who own the robots.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by epc »

epc wrote: post #24

If you feel groggy in the morning or just not well–rested even after 7-8 hours sleep, get your sinuses & lungs checked. Could be sleep apnea, but in my case I felt congested all the time. What I thought was allergies was actually the linings of my sinuses inflamed to the point of closing off air passages. Unclear if the root cause in my case was acid-reflux into the sinus cavities or exposure to dust from ground zero…

Just a follow up…I got tested for sleep apnea because I fit the profile (overweight, snorer) but they found no evidence that I stopped breathing at all overnight. The sinus thing didn't get diagnosed until one of my frontal sinuses closed off during descent into JFK. Can't begin to explain the pain other than feeling like your head is exploding.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

_qbjt wrote: post #17

This is one of the reasons I hate the eight-hour work day. Between that and all of the other shit you have to do in a day (commute, chores, eating, exercise etc.), it seems like there's little to no opportunity to just have a life. I know it sounds like first world problems (people used to work 100 hour weeks), but I think our culture needs to change before we can really put the onus on people to improve their sleepi…

You nailed it! Everybody expects something from us - our partners, bosses, children... We also have needs and expectations - we need to exercise etc. How should we find time for all this working eight hours a day (realistically - at least 10 hours as most people are commuting. You wake up, go to work, get back, try to do your best at whatever you need to do... No wonder people sacrifice their sleep.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by ambicapter »

gph wrote: post #71
mlcrypto wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do something about it bro. If you want something you gotta take it. Nobody is gonna come offering you a dream work week. But the catch 22 is you gotta lose some sleep to find time to develop some systems to make passive income

That might work for the OP or someone who is capable of earning enough to set up systems to make a passive income. But that's not a global solution to the problem. We can't all be lazy rent seeking drains on society.

Its not "rent seeking" if you solve a problem that others have in a way that is repeatable and low margin for you. It does favor software solutions a LOT though.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by whatshisface »

fapjacks wrote: post #103
r00fus wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The commute and school dropoffs are the real lifestyle killer I think. Imagine having an extra 5-15h a week to hang out and do things. Imagine having that much more sleep (if you happen to be burning the midnight oil a lot). I used to remember my parents letting me walk to the school bus stop (near our apartment) and then walking to work or taking the bus themselves. Nowadays we pack the kids into the car drop them o…

Honest question: Why do people do this with the school pickup/dropoff? What is the point of that? Do schools still have buses?

I can recount for you the story that I've heard from those in my area who have kids:

First, the most dedicated full-time parents decided to pick their kids up and drop them off, so that they would have more time with their kids and the kids would spend less time in transit.

Then, some unruly kids caused some trouble on the buses (the district isn't going to station a warden on the bus, and the driver has a route to keep), so some more parents started driving their kids. Now it was super-involved parents and also parents of bullied kids.

A huge fraction of kids get bullied, so now we're looking at a bus filled with the lower half of the parental protectiveness bell curve. Obviously that's doing to distill the troublemakers, further lowering the level of protectiveness a parent would have to have before taking their kids off the buses.

This forms a vicious cycle. The good kids are no longer diluting (and providing social pressure to) the bad ones, and the buses gain a (deserved? I have no way of knowing) reputation for being where bad parents dump their kids to be tortured by other bad kids.

Now there's a social stigma. The set of parents that drive their kids now include the very-involved, the protective, and the responsive to social stigmas. So, finally, the children of the poor (whose parents don't have the means to fall in to one of the above groups) are stuck alone with the bad kids - and now we're at our present state, where cars line up around the street and everyone is spending an hour trying to pick their kids up from school.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by undersuit »

swah wrote: post #108

Sometimes I can sleep over 6 hours, but then I wake up with back pain...

Sleep on your back on the floor, beds are an new invention and a bad one can be painful. So before you go out and buy a new mattress experiment with your sleep. Hammocks are also said to be a good alternative.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by ohdrat »

Have gotten 6 for decades, but I used to swim/run/yoga. Now I don't do anything because there's no time and am still productive, but need lots of caffeine and morale boosters, like I traded a couple pairs loafer mesh shoes I didn't like for a high end pair of proper fitting ASIC running shoes at Nordstrom's today. In fact I lost a couple hours sleep just thinking about trading those shoes today...

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

whatshisface wrote: post #115
fapjacks wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question: Why do people do this with the school pickup/dropoff? What is the point of that? Do schools still have buses?

I can recount for you the story that I've heard from those in my area who have kids: First, the most dedicated full-time parents decided to pick their kids up and drop them off, so that they would have more time with their kids and the kids would spend less time in transit. Then, some unruly kids caused some trouble on the buses (the district isn't going to station a warden on the bus, and the driver has a route to k…

Maybe. But do parents think they're protecting kids by driving them instead of letting them take the bus? They're going to get bullied mercilessly as soon as they get to school anyway.

School is simply a horrific hellhole for the bottom 20% of kids. People just like to feel like it's not. And unfortunately "bottom 20%" can happen to anyone -- it's not merit-based. More like affluence-based.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by Retric »

whatshisface wrote: post #115
fapjacks wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question: Why do people do this with the school pickup/dropoff? What is the point of that? Do schools still have buses?

I can recount for you the story that I've heard from those in my area who have kids: First, the most dedicated full-time parents decided to pick their kids up and drop them off, so that they would have more time with their kids and the kids would spend less time in transit. Then, some unruly kids caused some trouble on the buses (the district isn't going to station a warden on the bus, and the driver has a route to k…

That's fairly contrived. Schools are already very segregated by affluence and buss routes need to handle every student outside of walking distance.

So, the net result is mostly just empty buses, and wasted gas.

Re: Productive on six hours of sleep? You’re deluding yourself, expert says

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Post by sevensor »

fapjacks wrote: post #103
r00fus wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The commute and school dropoffs are the real lifestyle killer I think. Imagine having an extra 5-15h a week to hang out and do things. Imagine having that much more sleep (if you happen to be burning the midnight oil a lot). I used to remember my parents letting me walk to the school bus stop (near our apartment) and then walking to work or taking the bus themselves. Nowadays we pack the kids into the car drop them o…

Honest question: Why do people do this with the school pickup/dropoff? What is the point of that? Do schools still have buses?

Two working parents means preschool until kindergarten, and preschool doesn't offer busses. If your district offers wraparound care for school-aged children, it's probably not served by busses. You can't have kids home alone any more because somebody might inform on you.
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