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Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by monort »

jimmies wrote: post #98
Grazester wrote: post #5

Its DX0 score is 98

I own a Pixel but this DxO stuff is really dodgy. In the portrait pic of the girl, the difference between the Pixel 2 [1] and the iPhone 8 [2] is night and day, with the Pixel 2 looking like shit. She so pale, and the fake bokeh looks like a 5 year old smearing all over, it's simply not pleasant to look at. And the whole push on adding the fake bokeh """scores""" to justify changing the scores so every fucking newly…

It's post-processing, not the quality of the sensor, photo from iPhone have warmer color balance.

If you compare the right eyebrow, you will see that [1] have more details, than [2]

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Post by rimliu »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #27
codq wrote: post #3

As an audio engineer, the headphone jack removal trend is an absolute travesty in an industry that utilizes AUX IN audio capabilities night after night. I'm often using iPods or other local-music devices to pump sound into concert venues between acts. Taking away 1/8" audio standards in favor of USB-C or Lightning non-standardized ports causes chaos when needing to fill in music in a pinch. In my industry, I simply c…

I'm not against removing the Aux port on principal or anything, but I just don't understand why we're going toward removing seemingly core hardware. Even on desktops/laptops 3.5mm audio is still used. Why do we need dongles to use core features? Especially since we're removing an "out" port, now we're reliant on a single port to manage all in and out. I don't want to carry dongles to be able to use my phone normally.

My audio jack is neither core nor I need a dongle after it's removal. On the go I've got BeatsX, at the desk, I use good headphones which are connected via USB.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by bmelton »

chrisper wrote: post #149
MattyRad wrote: post #128

I bought a Pixel when it came out, switching from the Nexus 5 primarily because Project Fi was an easy, cheap way to get off my parent's cell-phone plan and gain some personal independence. It was about time for a new phone anyway. I wish I had just stuck with the Nexus 5... it was a fantastic phone. Wireless charging (which I personally found to be the most useful feature), excellent dimensions, excellent price, and…

Are you planning to already switch phones again? I have a pixel as well and feel like it will still last some time.

The Pixel is so solid, and still plenty fast enough for me that I honestly can't imagine upgrading until there's something I need that doesn't support it.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by mattnewton »

moduspol wrote: post #155
mattnewton wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When they removed floppy drives it was because there was a better alternative. I don’t agree that Bluetooth is a better alternative than a cord that is 100% reliable to pair, perfect audio quality, and never needs to be charged

You can still do that. You just need an adapter. The rest of us will be happy to sacrifice quality we can hardly recognize for better mobility. Also, this already happened with the Ethernet port.

Ethernet makes less sense on a mobile device, because you don’t carry routers on your body, and the standard was no where near as old. Again, removing because there was a better alternative. Adaptors are not a better alternative. Bluetooth is not a better alternative.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by exhilaration »

user-on1 wrote: post #138
Klathmon wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other articles did mention that this will be local. I have a feeling they are using federated machine learning for this to have a lot of the processing done locally and not need to activate the radios for as much of the processing as possible. They have been making big strides in that area lately and this might be the start of some of the major applications of it (I think they are using it in their keyboard predictio…

so there's going to be a huge database of songs on my mobile!!! i don't think anybody asked for it... sounds like trickery... this is going to take up some storage space now... anyone know how many gb or mb this occupies in my phone... can v jus clear this data...

The phone is just storing song fingerprints, probably no more than a few megs for every song ever recorded. It would be great to extract the data and release it for public use.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by torgard »

rmwaite wrote: post #109
drenvuk wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was an unnecessary change no matter how you slice it. Just look at the other options: bluetooth or an adapter. With bluetooth you have to pair it and remember to charge the headphones. With an adapter you have to remember to bring it everywhere if you want to listen to a podcast or music or audio book. They say they're making a simple device but they're making my life more complicated. This is one of the few tim…

then use another type of connector for headphones. aux does not have to be the only connector forever. what makes this so special that it is the only connector that people refuse to upgrade? EVERY OTHER CONNECTOR has gone through improvements. new USB standards. new video. everything. why is this any different?

Come to think of it, that's a pretty good Kickstarter idea.

Usb-C to 3.5mm jack, where it isn't a dongle, but rather built into the cable itself.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by Zak »

jamesrcole wrote: post #42
mcjiggerlog wrote: post #15

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I wonder how many customers they will lose because of this decision? What I don't actually understand is what exactly is gained by its removal? It doesn't seem to be a limiting factor in either thinness or waterproofing, which are the only two I can think of. I know I for one will never buy a phone with no headphone jack.

I think (good implementations of) wireless headphones are the way of the future. What did they gain by removing floppy disk drives from laptops? Well, nothing per se, but it allowed them to make smaller laptops. Removing the jack will allow them to make phones thinner - if not now, in future iterations. And the thing with keeping features around is that it's not just a question of that one feature. It's cumulative ov…

The floppy disk stopped being good at moving files between computers and making backups because single files of popular types regularly exceeded its capacity at the time it stopped being a standard feature. Modems and CD drives had fallen into disuse in favor of alternatives by the time they started getting left out.

The analog headphone jack still does as good a job of connecting headphones, speakers and such in a practical sense as it always did. Perhaps even better since cars have aux in ports most of the time now[0]. It hasn't fallen into disuse either. While bluetooth headphones exist and enjoy some popularity, most people I know own, and regularly use wired headphones.

I don't think the analogy holds. The headphone jack is still as useful and popular with consumers as it ever was.

[0] Yes, they also usually have bluetooth, but getting a car and a phone to pair, and getting the right phone to be paired at the right time isn't always a good UX.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by mastax »

kllrnohj wrote: post #110
mastax wrote: post #18

An LG G6 for $350 more†. + Software updates + Camera software (probably) + Squeezing - Dual camera Did I miss anything? †Yes it's unfair to compare speculated launch price to current store price but that's the decision I'm making right now.

Snapdragon 835 instead of 821, 64GB base instead of 32GB, OLED w/ always-on display instead of IPS

Good points. I had assumed base storage would be 32GB for all time, that recent phones would use the same processor, and that LGs OLED investments had trickled down to their own devices. Times, they are a changing.

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Post by MattyRad »

chrisper wrote: post #149
MattyRad wrote: post #128

I bought a Pixel when it came out, switching from the Nexus 5 primarily because Project Fi was an easy, cheap way to get off my parent's cell-phone plan and gain some personal independence. It was about time for a new phone anyway. I wish I had just stuck with the Nexus 5... it was a fantastic phone. Wireless charging (which I personally found to be the most useful feature), excellent dimensions, excellent price, and…

Are you planning to already switch phones again? I have a pixel as well and feel like it will still last some time.

The Pixel is by no means a bad phone, it's just been an exercise in disappointment the whole way. So I'm not actively planning to switch phones, I'm just lamenting that I don't get the same utility out of the Pixel that I was getting out of my Nexus 5. Also being on Project Fi locks me into a certain set of phones, switching would be an expensive endeavor.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by mullingitover »

I witnessed my girlfriend's Nexus 6p support experience with Google and it was not pretty. I would never buy a Google phone after that. The phone, just barely out of warranty, goes into a bootloop and becomes a paperweight. Google helpfully shrugs the problem off on Huawei, and Huawei will of course not support the product since it's out of warranty. There is no repair option.

I tried Android early on, had similarly unacceptable support experiences, and whenever I'm tempted to dip my toes back in the water I'm reminded of how bad things are with cases like this. In the case of the Nexus 6p it's Google's flagship product and it's a worthless paperweight 13 months after purchase.

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