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Post by ropans808 »

jamesrcole wrote: post #42
mcjiggerlog wrote: post #15

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I wonder how many customers they will lose because of this decision? What I don't actually understand is what exactly is gained by its removal? It doesn't seem to be a limiting factor in either thinness or waterproofing, which are the only two I can think of. I know I for one will never buy a phone with no headphone jack.

I think (good implementations of) wireless headphones are the way of the future. What did they gain by removing floppy disk drives from laptops? Well, nothing per se, but it allowed them to make smaller laptops. Removing the jack will allow them to make phones thinner - if not now, in future iterations. And the thing with keeping features around is that it's not just a question of that one feature. It's cumulative ov…

They can make the phone thinner, but they are only doing that by putting more hardware (a DAC) into the headphone. It's massively duplicating one component for such a negligible advantage.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by itodd »

codq wrote: post #3

As an audio engineer, the headphone jack removal trend is an absolute travesty in an industry that utilizes AUX IN audio capabilities night after night. I'm often using iPods or other local-music devices to pump sound into concert venues between acts. Taking away 1/8" audio standards in favor of USB-C or Lightning non-standardized ports causes chaos when needing to fill in music in a pinch. In my industry, I simply c…

I am not an audio engineer but I own a pair of bluetooth headphones and 2 devices that I use them with and it's a nightmare as both devices fight over it. It seems to be the USB problem all over but an order of magnitude worse. I can't just flip the cable over, I need to disable bluetooth temporarily on the device that I don't want to pair.

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Post by kpxxx3 »

binaryblitz wrote: post #96
adewinter wrote: post #16

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If you work in 'the industry', surely it would not be a big deal to carry around an adapter a long with the other standard tools of your trade? I imagine it'll be about as inconvenient as carrying around ear buds.

You can't charge your phone and listen to music through the dongle. This is the deal breaker for me.

At least for the iphone, this is not true. I'm not going to argue that the dongle is elegant, but you can do it.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by tstrimple »

robterrell wrote: post #49
legohead wrote: post #4

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I love my Pixel, but they just lost me as a customer for this reason. I'm not totally against removing the headphone jack, but it's not time yet -- the transition has been done poorly.

Why is it not time yet? When I lost my Pixel on a trip, I switched to an iPhone 7 + airpods and it's been great. I don't want to go back to wired headphones. Apple certainly seems to have nailed it. I can't imagine Google + HTC can't too.

You're really asking why overpriced wireless devices with mediocre to atrocious battery life and substandard audio quality are not a sufficient replacement for devices you can literally buy in any convenience store around the world for tens of dollars? There is room for a headphone jack in these phones (video below). The only reason they removed them when they did is to push accessory sales.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfbE3_uAMA

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by ori_b »

rmwaite wrote: post #72
bpicolo wrote: post #44

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Everybody with a pair of wired headphones would appreciate a standard jack, too.

Then don't buy this phone. Headphones will soon all be either wireless or use USB C or lighting anyway. And if there are headphones that do not, use an adapter.

I won't, but I also don't want this regression to catch on and propagate.

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by rmwaite »

drenvuk wrote: post #78
rmwaite wrote: post #24

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man. you're in the audio industry. most people are not. I'm talking the VAST majority of people. So they should cater to you? I think it is not unreasonable to expect the professional to have whatever equipment they need - there are aux adapters for USB C and lightning. They are small. They are inexpensive.

This was an unnecessary change no matter how you slice it. Just look at the other options: bluetooth or an adapter. With bluetooth you have to pair it and remember to charge the headphones. With an adapter you have to remember to bring it everywhere if you want to listen to a podcast or music or audio book. They say they're making a simple device but they're making my life more complicated. This is one of the few tim…

then use another type of connector for headphones. aux does not have to be the only connector forever. what makes this so special that it is the only connector that people refuse to upgrade? EVERY OTHER CONNECTOR has gone through improvements. new USB standards. new video. everything. why is this any different?

Re: Google Pixel 2 and 2 XL announced

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Post by kllrnohj »

mastax wrote: post #18

An LG G6 for $350 more†. + Software updates + Camera software (probably) + Squeezing - Dual camera Did I miss anything? †Yes it's unfair to compare speculated launch price to current store price but that's the decision I'm making right now.

Snapdragon 835 instead of 821, 64GB base instead of 32GB, OLED w/ always-on display instead of IPS
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