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Footage shows young elephants being captured for Chinese zoos

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Re: Footage shows young elephants being captured for Chinese zoos

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You guys should consider donating to the International Anti-Poaching Foundation[0][1] which fights these poachers. The founder, Damien Mander[2], is an Australian ex spec-ops sniper who is using his military experience to train the park rangers since they, unlike the poachers, tend to be poorly equipped and trained as well as understaffed. There is also the David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust[3][4] which takes care of ele…

As a child in the early 90s I was given the "gift" of an adopted whale. I did get updates about my whale, where it was an what it was doing. The data was likely all junk but it was an interesting gift for a kid interested in oceans. The gift then went sour. My name/address had obviously been put on a list. Other organizations started sending me mail containing pictures of dead and abused animals, not images for children. It took years for this to stop. I fear a modern version: waking up to see every website I visit flanked by ads full of crying puppies. Instead, I donate cash to local animal centers.

Re: Footage shows young elephants being captured for Chinese zoos

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Out of curiosity, are these organizations literally fighting poachers? I.e. we're saying that an elephant's life is more valuable than a human's? That's an interesting moral question.

Elephant's don't go around shooting humans....

If they could, would they?

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I wonder if legalizing the sale of elephants, rhino horns, etc. (but still protecting the ones in the wild) would lead to a sort of positive version of the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect After all, if you can make tons of money selling rhino horns (but know you’ll get shot if you kill an existing rhino to do it), people might start putting a lot of money into rhino farms, which could be good for the glo…

Even if there were a billion Rhinos, killing them for their horns should never be acceptable.

Re: Footage shows young elephants being captured for Chinese zoos

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You guys should consider donating to the International Anti-Poaching Foundation[0][1] which fights these poachers. The founder, Damien Mander[2], is an Australian ex spec-ops sniper who is using his military experience to train the park rangers since they, unlike the poachers, tend to be poorly equipped and trained as well as understaffed. There is also the David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust[3][4] which takes care of ele…

Out of curiosity, are these organizations literally fighting poachers? I.e. we're saying that an elephant's life is more valuable than a human's? That's an interesting moral question.

I'll outright say it-an endangered animal's life is more valuable then a randomly selected human's. You could kill 10 or 100 humans for each of an endangered species and make no (net) difference in the ability of the human race to survive.

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There are zoos all over the world with animals from africa. I'm against all zoos personally, but who cares if they are for chinese zoos? Britain has a bunch of zoos with elephants, rhinos and all kinds of animals from africa. Is it bad because it is for the chinese?

The article mentions imports to the US, Cuba and Mexico as well.

Re: Footage shows young elephants being captured for Chinese zoos

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I wonder if legalizing the sale of elephants, rhino horns, etc. (but still protecting the ones in the wild) would lead to a sort of positive version of the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect After all, if you can make tons of money selling rhino horns (but know you’ll get shot if you kill an existing rhino to do it), people might start putting a lot of money into rhino farms, which could be good for the glo…

No. People weren't "farming" them before laws cracked down on it. Laws cracked down on it precisely because of how people were going about getting ivory.

Besides, we're not aiming for pure population count... imagine the shitty quality of life an "ivory farm elephant" would have? And after they take the horn or tusk, what then? Meat?

Re: Footage shows young elephants being captured for Chinese zoos

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I wonder if legalizing the sale of elephants, rhino horns, etc. (but still protecting the ones in the wild) would lead to a sort of positive version of the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect After all, if you can make tons of money selling rhino horns (but know you’ll get shot if you kill an existing rhino to do it), people might start putting a lot of money into rhino farms, which could be good for the glo…

No way. The food investment would be massive, by the time you'd have nurtured your first elephant to the point of growing big tusks it would be a massive target for violent theft, back to square one.

Re: Footage shows young elephants being captured for Chinese zoos

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There are zoos all over the world with animals from africa. I'm against all zoos personally, but who cares if they are for chinese zoos? Britain has a bunch of zoos with elephants, rhinos and all kinds of animals from africa. Is it bad because it is for the chinese?

Many of the African-origin animals in well established zoos are the result of captive breeding programs run in cooperation with hundreds of international zoos. The rest are animals taken from the wild due to injury or environmental circumstance, who were then unable to be returned to the wild for some reason.

China is building cities at a tremendous rate, and many of those cities are building zoos. The existing captive breeding programs and animal-swap programs are simply not capable of supplying those new zoos with the larger animals with slow breeding rates. In any case, going out to poach animals from the wild is cheaper.

It's not bad because Chinese, but bad because it's going faster than the existing systems can handle.

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