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Re: Ask HN: Are irrelevant degrees at all useful?

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I would not classify mathematics as irrelevant. Math serves as the foundation for all of science and engineering. I would bet that most CS and Engineering grad students (and industry professionals) wish they had a stronger mathematics background ... even those with strong mathematics backgrounds ;-)

Can't talk about Engineers, but as a professional programmer of 9 years with many years of undergraduate and graduate (M.Sc) Mathematics education, I must say I rarely/never use any of the math I've learned (at least not something I wouldn't have learned as an undergrad CS major) at work. I have heard your argument very often though, it seems about as popular as the one that states painters benefit from knowledge of…

Clearly, it depends on what you do. My experience is quite the opposite of yours. I cannot speak for what you do, but, in my field (robotics) if you do not have a strong mathematics background, you will not last very long.

Re: Ask HN: Are irrelevant degrees at all useful?

#52
post #35

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Personally, I was a philosophy major. As was I, along with Biochemistry, Molecular Biology, and Physics. Philosophy was by far my most important and relevant major. It taught me how to think and express myself logically and to identify specious reasoning - two things which are invaluable in life. In fact, I know of at least one Philosophy major that Apple hired as an iPhone engineer. They should really teach Philosop…

Out of curiosity, where can you have four different majors? (We didn't have official "majors" at all where I went to uni, but I always thought they were something of which you only had one or two.) If you're studying four subjects in your final year, how do you go into any depth in them?

I was on the 8-year plan...

I love learning, and couldn't decide on a single major. First I was planning on CS / Math, but wound up taking a physics course, asking the right questions, and the professor hired me to do research for him and put me on the honors track. As long as I was matriculated as a physics major, I had a scholarship and a pay check waiting. I also happened to love it. Because my University didn't allow more than two courses to overlap between majors, I wound up taking enough math courses to otherwise have majored in it, but it didn't count.

In my senior year, I took philosophy to satisfy a writing requirement. It was analytical philosophy. Logic and reason was valued above all. We discussed the problem of other minds, philosophy of religion, and a broad array of other things I had always pondered. In fact, I thought I must have been the only kid in kindergarten wondering how I could be certain that my parents were actually conscious beings and not just bags of molecules. How could I know for certain that they had a mind and consciousness in the same way that I did? When I found out that you could get paid to think about these things and teach people how to think, I was hooked. I decided to double major, and spent an extra year filling all of the requirements.

After graduating (the first time) I spent 6 months working at a local bookstore, deciding what track I wanted my life to take. I could teach high school physics, I could get a PhD in physics (though I was getting tired of seeing divs, grads, and curls every time I closed my eyes). I could become a philosophy PhD and later professor, which sounded like a dream job, but was difficult in practice to obtain.

Then it occurred to me that I didn't know much about biology and my own body. I would be stuck with it for the rest of my life, so I thought maybe I'd go to medical school. The problem was two-fold. I didn't meet the pre-requisite coursework for applying, and my grades were not competitive (I never handed-in homework. I studied things for their own sake and not for the grades.)

After watching a few UC Berkeley lectures on chemistry and biology, I decided I loved biology. I returned to my University to get a degree in some form of biology. I wanted to learn it very well, get great grades, and I chose the hardest sub-discipline with the fewest students: molecular biology and biochemistry.

I was amazed to discover that when I actually tried and cared, I was at the top of every class. I graduated again, with a 4.0 and applied to medical school.

Amazingly, even with these credentials, a large body of research, and a very competitive MCAT score I was still only accepted to a few schools.

I wound up getting into a combined MD/PhD program, which was an additional 3 years over regular medical school, but allowed me to conduct research. It also came with full tuition and a stipend.

I'm now in my third year and doing research at the NIH. I have five more years until I graduate for the final time.

In retrospect, I could have forgone almost all of college and just audited the courses that interested me. In fact, I believe that college is of only marginal value to most people. Most of the skill set I acquired I learned in high school, on my own, with books and computers.

Without college, however, I would never have gotten into medical school. It is definitely necessary for some things.

Re: Ask HN: Are irrelevant degrees at all useful?

#53
post #41

Degrees are for signaling. If you want to signal that you're as smart as a typical CS or Business student, pick a program they would drop out of (Math instead of CS, Economics instead of Business). If you just pick music, it's not a strong indicator of your skills. I used to work as a recruiter, and the candidate for whom I got the most interview requests ever had a triple-major: music, physics, and math. You don't h…

This made me smile a little bit; I majored in Math because I thought CS would be too easy.

I was a math major too, but no way would I consider CS to be too easy.

Re: Ask HN: Are irrelevant degrees at all useful?

#54
post #11

I double majored in the two most irrelevant degrees, philosophy and mathematics. The main skill this has imparted upon me is superhuman-like bullshit detection. While useful, this has proven to be rather depressing, as bullshit is in no short supply. If I could do it over again, I would have majored in music.

At my last job I worked with a guy who was a water walker when it came to software design and development. He had a bachelors in Philosophy and was still only 5 years in to his career. Was just a smart dude.

Re: Ask HN: Are irrelevant degrees at all useful?

#55
The thing to be cognizant of, I think, is that CS/Business/Marketing at a University are already disconnected from the business world somewhat. The problems they solve are already more abstract and academic (in a good sense). So people are already negotiating the realities of business v. the academic analogs, etc. Music, on top of it all, is perhaps the most abstract field in the humanities (philosophy has systems of ideas, literature has words, the visual arts have images but music has predominantly...sounds?). That's not to say Oxford or any good university wouldn't provide you with invaluable habits and attitudes about learning for the rest of your life. But if you think about it as an investment, apart from what hiring managers will think, you're potentially exposing yourself to a pretty heavy load of abstraction. However, as long as you're aware of it, you can balance it with other things (organizing gigs as mentioned is a good idea), or do them later (or even while you're there -- sit in on CS lectures, read the books on your own, etc.).

Re: Ask HN: Are irrelevant degrees at all useful?

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post #44
post #39

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Indeed. There is practically no difference between the quality of any of the Russell Group universities. But only Oxbridge graduates feel the need to mention their college within 2 minutes of you meeting them.

May be true for some oxbridge students, but not all (and not me if I do end up doing it)

You haven't even been there yet! And you already have.

Re: Ask HN: Are irrelevant degrees at all useful?

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post #56
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

May be true for some oxbridge students, but not all (and not me if I do end up doing it)

You haven't even been there yet! And you already have.

I would have mentioned it had my university of choice not been Oxford though...

Re: Ask HN: Are irrelevant degrees at all useful?

#60
post #41

Degrees are for signaling. If you want to signal that you're as smart as a typical CS or Business student, pick a program they would drop out of (Math instead of CS, Economics instead of Business). If you just pick music, it's not a strong indicator of your skills. I used to work as a recruiter, and the candidate for whom I got the most interview requests ever had a triple-major: music, physics, and math. You don't h…

This made me smile a little bit; I majored in Math because I thought CS would be too easy.

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