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Re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai accused of cherry-picking data to repeal net neutrality

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Internet neutrality is not a hot button issue for most of the voting demographic, nor should it arguably be. Definitely an upper middle class problem.

Really? You don’t think middle or lower class people should worry about getting locked into an Internet where they have to pay extra to access the ‘good’ job sites or alternate media or where they have to pay $10/mo simply because everyone ‘has to have Facebook’ and that costs extra? The rich can afford to pay their way around stupid Comcast tiers.

Hrm, maybe I should explain. “Hot button issue” is actually a technical term in political science that has a relevant meaning here.

One of the great quantitative results that has come out of political science in the last half century is the ability to model voter preferences, predict election outcomes within available uncertainties of measurement, and evaluate campaign strategies using the tools of linear algebra. The first-order approximation would be: assign a dimension to all issues on which candidates differ, for each voter assign a preference, and also for each preference assign a weight representing the priority the voter places of that issue over the others. Assume the candidate achieves all that they promise, so the outcome if they win is whatever their campaign platform says they will do. For each voter, calculate the magnitude of the difference between the voter’s preference vector and each candidate’s outcome vector, weighted by the voter’s priority vector. The candidate whose weighted outcome difference from the voter’s preferences is smallest gets their vote.

You’ll have to either trust me this works, or delve into the polisci literature yourself. Barack Obama was one of the first presidential candidates to seriously use quantitative modeling of this sort, and it helped him win the election. Donald Trump’s campaign took it even further. The current state of the art, exemplified by the Trump campaign, is able to aggregate data from many sources including especially social networks and advertising profiles to build ridiculously detailed and fairly accurate predicted preference vectors for most of the voting population. They then segment these populations and serve them hyper-optimized political ads, sometimes even individually tailored, aimed to emphasize points of agreement between the candidate and the voter and points of disagreement between the voter and the other candidates, for the purpose of generating a second-order correction where each voter has a different view of the candidate designed to make him/her more agreeable to them. All interesting tech, albeit somewhat Orwellian in its consequences.

Anyway, one outcome of this modeling validated by experimental data is that most voters’ priority vectors follow a power-law distribution, or something like it, meaning that a point of agreement or disagreement between the voter and the candidate on that issue trumps all others. If Alice thinks that abortion is baby murder, or if Bob is gay in a non-rainbow state and wants that to change ASAP, then it almost doesn’t matter on what other points the candidates differ. Alice will vote for the pro-life candidate, and Bob will vote for the gay-marriage candidate. Or as will often happen, voters who are suffering (no job, expensive health care, bad retirement benefits, etc.) will vote in the way that they think will better their lives, other factors be damned. These issues which dominate a voter’s choice, are hot-button issues.

So back to the point I was making. I’m not saying that net neutrality is not important. What I’m saying is that in an election there are many different issues at play, of which net neutrality is one. Nearly every voter is driven by a small number of hot-button issues, and these are often things like their jobs, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and foreign policy generally, taxes, immigration, cost of education, cost of health care, etc. You’re going to have a veeery hard time convincing me — or more importantly, Joe Q. Public — that net neutrality trumps these issues. And that’s what you have to do for net neutrality to matter AT ALL at the ballot box.

That’s not to say it can’t be done. That effectively what organizations like the National Rifle Association, or the National Right To Life have done with gun control and abortion, respectfully. Two issues which probably wouldn’t dominate the ballot box if not for some very clever and very expensive engineering of the public debate.

Re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai accused of cherry-picking data to repeal net neutrality

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That's definitely what those in favor of repealing the protections want you to think. Silencing dissenters by creating the illusion that their voice means nothing is one of the oldest tricks in the book.

..maybe their voice doesn't actually mean anything?

Yes, if you believe this administration is so competent they'll never make a mistake

Re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai accused of cherry-picking data to repeal net neutrality

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Really? You don’t think middle or lower class people should worry about getting locked into an Internet where they have to pay extra to access the ‘good’ job sites or alternate media or where they have to pay $10/mo simply because everyone ‘has to have Facebook’ and that costs extra? The rich can afford to pay their way around stupid Comcast tiers.

Hrm, maybe I should explain. “Hot button issue” is actually a technical term in political science that has a relevant meaning here. One of the great quantitative results that has come out of political science in the last half century is the ability to model voter preferences, predict election outcomes within available uncertainties of measurement, and evaluate campaign strategies using the tools of linear algebra. Th…

To summarize - current politics became a sophisticated brainwashing scheme, that uses science and technology to achieve if not mind control, then something on the way towards it. Disgusting and rather scary, but not surprising.

Re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai accused of cherry-picking data to repeal net neutrality

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Hrm, maybe I should explain. “Hot button issue” is actually a technical term in political science that has a relevant meaning here. One of the great quantitative results that has come out of political science in the last half century is the ability to model voter preferences, predict election outcomes within available uncertainties of measurement, and evaluate campaign strategies using the tools of linear algebra. Th…

To summarize - current politics became a sophisticated brainwashing scheme, that uses science and technology to achieve if not mind control, then something on the way towards it. Disgusting and rather scary, but not surprising.

The scary turning point in history is when political science became an actual science, with predictive models and falsifiable theories. Once the political scientists had that, the electorate no longer owned their government.

Re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai accused of cherry-picking data to repeal net neutrality

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To summarize - current politics became a sophisticated brainwashing scheme, that uses science and technology to achieve if not mind control, then something on the way towards it. Disgusting and rather scary, but not surprising.

The scary turning point in history is when political science became an actual science, with predictive models and falsifiable theories. Once the political scientists had that, the electorate no longer owned their government.

The next expected step would replacing the government with purely virtual one. I.e. since algorithm can potentially calculate it much better, shouldn't it produce the strongest brainwashing effect?

Science fiction authors already anticipated that. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_"П"

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GOP needs a solid defeat in 2018 or the Internet will become a lot more "comcastic".

I think the only way to really prevent that is strong and disruptive competition that will spook all the current slumbering monopolists. Google Fiber pretended to aim at that, but now it slowed to a crawl (it did cause some good ripple effects). Will Starlink from SpaceX fix it? Who knows, but I have little expectation from the Congress to do anything of value about it. When was the last time they did something good…

> Will Starlink from SpaceX fix it?

If Starlink can drive costs into the ground, relatively speaking, we can talk about other factors. The capital outlay for a satellite internet setup is currently astronomical. This is the allure of the Facebook balloons - minimal expenditure per home.

Re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai accused of cherry-picking data to repeal net neutrality

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Are you familiar with the concept of regulatory capture and how expanding the laws of a government which has been captured destroys competition, creates artificial barriers to market entry, and enables dangerous abuse of power? Do you really want a guy like Pai to have his powers expanded? Why won't anyone actually answer any of my questions? Especially if the answers are so obvious. Try starting an ISP, or go read a…

I am bothered by it, but I don’t think lack of regulation is going to fix the issue, because an ISP is a natural monopoly. The rights they have acquired from the government and from the private sector to lay all those wires provide too big a hurdle in the absence of regulation, and passing laws to make to easier to lay wires for competition would have to have all sorts of negative externalities for property owners an…

I think one overlooked factor here is the next move for companies should Net Neutrality remain in force. Reading the Telco act that NN is based on, it allows the FCC to decide which ISPs to be burdened with the regulation(the intention being that small ISPs aren't affected).

The next natural move for ISPs would be to lobby that their competitors are regulated but they are not. Since clearly ISPs have a strong lobby arm, wouldn't this be a great tool to use to essentially end any competition among ISPs? It'd be very much MAD - don't infringe on our turf or we will start a NN war with you.

I think that's one of the unintended consequences of NN. They'll have even less incentive to improve their current offerings, which I don't think many people are satisfied by. Will the end goal here be to essentially nationalize ISPs?

Re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai accused of cherry-picking data to repeal net neutrality

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This might be the worst thing he's done so far, but it's not even the stupidest thing he's done this week. Five days ago he put out a statement congratulating himself for demanding that Tim Cook turn on an imaginary iPhone radio to help the people of Puerto Rico.

That’s less far-fetched than it sounds when you know that the iPhone did have FM tuners in the hardware for every model prior to the iPhone 7, which removed the headphones used as an antenna, and groups like http://freeradioonmyphone.org/ have been trying to get the FCC to mandate opening up hardware access for many years.
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