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well to be fair it is how it normally works with humans. If someone has your physical address they can send you as much junk as they want in the mail. It's not really different online.
Normal human interaction is not conducted mostly by post.
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Regardless of account deletion attempts, they knew they had an active account and didn't change any notification settings. They still expected Facebook to magically know to stop sending them notifications. That is weird.
"Regardless of account deletion attempts"? Seriously? First step of account deletion is, that Facebook deactivates the account, therefore, they should also know better to not send notifications. Why would they burden the user with notification settings, when the users wish/intent is clear enough? Spamming them with unwanted notifications is unethical behavior.
> when the users wish/intent is clear
How is it clear? Their whole post is stating that all they did was not use the site for a bit.
Given that they have an active account and notification are set to notify, why would they ever assume you no longer want notifications? They could very well want all of those notifications (since they have them turned off), so not sending them would actually be the exact opposite of what it should do.
This would be like if my post office stopped delivering my mail because I didn't call them up and tell them to keep delivering my mail.
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Regardless of account deletion attempts, they knew they had an active account and didn't change any notification settings. They still expected Facebook to magically know to stop sending them notifications. That is weird.
Yes, you're right, this time they didn't try to delete. I read the comment, I understand what happened. Why should @bmelton expect Facebook to respect the notification settings after he has evidence they didn't respect the account deletion request multiple times? It's not weird nor is it magic to expect Facebook to stop the notifications. That's what pretty much all other web sites and services currently do. They may…
No, it's not. This would be like if my post office stopped delivering my mail because I didn't call them up and tell them to keep delivering my mail.
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Normal human interaction is not conducted mostly by post.
So snail mail isn't a good standard for email...what is a good standard?
Although when bringing up paper mail, we should note there are many different standards. Are we talking the standards of 1792, when the USPS was created? Perhaps we use the 1879 mail classification act? The 1920s, when the Direct Mail Advertising Association was formed? How about around the time of the junk mail controversy of 1953? Or perhaps 1970, when Chief Justice Warren Berger wrote, "Everyman's mail today is made up overwhelmingly of material he did not seek from persons he does not know. And all too often it is matter he finds offensive."
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Regardless of account deletion attempts, they knew they had an active account and didn't change any notification settings. They still expected Facebook to magically know to stop sending them notifications. That is weird.
That's not what they expected. They didn't explain expectations. They didn't expect what happened though: FB notifications got more and more pushy over time. That's interesting to remark on regardless of whether or not you'd expect it.
However, if that isn't the basis of their expectation, I don't really understand the rest of their post. Especially "knowing full well that I didn't see them" (how?) and proceeding to mark the emails as spam... instead of turning off the notifications...
The latter is why I believe they expected the notifications to stop.
Edit: as far as the notifications getting more frequent, that actually is pretty interesting, but not really relevant to the other points made.
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Yes, you're right, this time they didn't try to delete. I read the comment, I understand what happened. Why should @bmelton expect Facebook to respect the notification settings after he has evidence they didn't respect the account deletion request multiple times? It's not weird nor is it magic to expect Facebook to stop the notifications. That's what pretty much all other web sites and services currently do. They may…
> It's not weird nor is it magic to expect Facebook to stop the notifications. That's what pretty much all other web sites and services currently do. No, it's not. This would be like if my post office stopped delivering my mail because I didn't call them up and tell them to keep delivering my mail.
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That's not what they expected. They didn't explain expectations. They didn't expect what happened though: FB notifications got more and more pushy over time. That's interesting to remark on regardless of whether or not you'd expect it.
You make a fair point that the OC didn't explicitly declare that they expected the emails to stop. However, if that isn't the basis of their expectation, I don't really understand the rest of their post. Especially "knowing full well that I didn't see them" (how?) and proceeding to mark the emails as spam... instead of turning off the notifications... The latter is why I believe they expected the notifications to sto…
Are you not aware that Facebook is attempting to track emails and links for everyone? The mechanisms are numerous and varied, but putting "tracking pixels" in HTML emails is standard practice. If you ever ran a Mailchimp list, you'd know you get reports on who received your email, who opened and looked at them, who clicked any link in them, etc.
Facebook also track visits to any site on the web with Facebook integration, via cookies, which is a large number of popular sites. They know when you've seen their emails, if you're like "most people" and you use hotmail or gmail and not pine. You have to be pretty privacy & security adept to have a Facebook account and avoid getting tracked. 99% of people who use Facebook are not adept enough (or just don't care enough to fight it), and their emails & visits to Facebook and elsewhere are tracked.
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Anecdote incoming: I've turned off every notification setting possible on my Facebook account. The issue is that every time they add a new notification "feature" it seems like they flip all of them back on again. All as if to say, "Everybody wants a daily/weekly rollup of what happened on Facebook! Subscribe everybody by default!" So I feel the GP's pain, I've taken to marking them as spam as well because I know that…
I've had notifications disabled for at least a year and have never had this happen.
I had disabled Facebook about 3 weeks ago. For good measure, I went ahead and deleted all apps, history, or any method by which I might wander back.
Needless to say I was a bit thrown off this morning by the slew of “welcome back to Facebook” texts from my friends. I assured them somebody had created a false account, but sure enough there I was seemingly alive and well with an active profile.
The only explanation I can think of is that an application or service attempted to authenticate via Facebook connect- if this is enough to reactive an account, it damn well shouldn’t be.
Given that social media has overtaken reality for most, it feels a lot like a company unknowingly took my life and ran with it. It’s a bit eerie to scroll through a feed of your friends trying to reach you, and living your life without you. For a few days, Facebook was a more believable authority on my life than I was.
I've tried (and failed) to delete my Facebook a couple times in the past, so this most recent go, when I quit using Facebook, I just quit using Facebook -- I uninstalled the apps from my phone, and mapped 'facebook.com' to localhost in my /etc/hosts files. The result was... amusing. Facebook kept emailing me the "Hey, did you see what so and so posted?" emails, knowing full well that I didn't see them. But then, afte…
This is such a weird thing to think. You can turn off all notifications and they'll never contact you, ever. I stopped using Facebook 6 years ago and haven't gotten a single email / sms from them since then, because I used the settings properly. Yeah, if you just ghost them and never click "update your email settings" at the bottom of every email they send, they'll keep sending them.