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The Absurdity of Nobel Prizes in Science

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Re: The Absurdity of Nobel Prizes in Science

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's supposed to be political, that's the point. I like both the EU and Obama, but don't think they deserve them.

I think that's part of the point though. Politics is the way by which you achieve peace. So the Peace prize is also a political tool. "We're giving you this prize and now you have to live up to it.".

Hopefully the drone programs under president Obama disabused them of that particularly odious and arrogant fallacy.

Re: The Absurdity of Nobel Prizes in Science

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Oh My! What a ghastly notion. Of course the prize won't go to THEM, darling. Give the slaves notions, Why! Who'd crunch my numbers? Make my tables done up all pretty; clean and polish my figures? Besides, [Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty Tenure...it is sanctioned by the Journal, from Nature Genetics to Nature Neuroscience...it has existed in all disciplines, has been found among the labs of the highest prestige, and in labs of the highest proficiency. It is the natural order, and without us, they'd be lost and wayward. Goodness, it really is a lot to bear sometimes. I think I need some air.

Re: The Absurdity of Nobel Prizes in Science

#53

Oh My! What a ghastly notion. Of course the prize won't go to THEM, darling. Give the slaves notions, Why! Who'd crunch my numbers? Make my tables done up all pretty; clean and polish my figures? Besides, [Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty Tenure...it is sanctioned by the Journal, from Nature Genetics to Nature Neuroscience...it has existed in all disciplines, has been found among the labs of the highest…

Really? Down votes for some crafted satire and an adaption of Confederate Jefferson Davis's famous quote on slavery?

Re: The Absurdity of Nobel Prizes in Science

#54
For me Nobel prices in Science are one of the things that work better the way they are that most alternatives.

Nobel prices in peace are ridiculous. Not talking about (fake) Nobel prices of Economy that do not exist but have managed to buy themselves some recognition because the money printing of central bankers.

For me this article is absurd. If you have a better way of giving to science, create your own price with your own money.

Re: The Absurdity of Nobel Prizes in Science

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I agree with parts of the article, that big breakthroughs are rarely these days individual efforts, and that praising only the ones at the top is misleading and potentially damaging; however, as a member of the LIGO collaboration, I think these three guys really do deserve credit for what they've driven over the past 50 (!) years, and all of the work we've been able to do over the years has only been enabled by their drive. While choosing three from thousands is never fair, it's probably more fair than distributing the award equally among anyone who's ever played a part in gravitational wave science.

The recipients have been at pains to make the collaborative effort clear. One of the first things Rai Weiss (winner this year) said on the phone to the Nobel press conference today was that he saw this as an award for the 1000+ scientists in the (LIGO) collaboration. When a special Breakthrough Prize was awarded to all of us last year, with large prize money being given to Rai, Kip and Ron Drever (who died earlier this year and who otherwise might have been one of the three Nobel laureates today), Rai and other senior scientists spent the money funding grad students and other science activities [1]. They have given ample credit to the people that helped in their success, and they've shared their knowledge and resources with the newer generations.

Today, we're celebrating this as a recognition foremost for the three new Nobel laureates, but also to the other pioneers who didn't make the "final three", the diverse collaboration of scientists past and present who've been involved around the world in gravitational wave physics, and all the technicians and students that did the grunt work building the machines and lab experiments. While our names aren't all stamped on the medals, I for one am deeply satisfied to have played some (tiny) part in it all alongside these greats.

[1] http://www.ligo.org/magazine/LIGO-magazine-issue-11.pdf#page...

Re: The Absurdity of Nobel Prizes in Science

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it just alphabetical at that point, or is Aad both special and alphabetically advantaged? (If I want to go into physics, should I first change my name to Aaalweachter?)

Evidently ATLAS listed its members alphabetically and CMS listed them by some other criterion (maybe seniority?). However, I would guess that ATLAS got its member list first in the paper by being the alphabetically prior of the two collaborations (!). So, that suggests that you should not only change your name to Aaalweachter, but also be sure to work on the AARDVARK research collaboration. (Or found one if it doesn'…

Hi, member of CMS collaboration here. The author list is ordered: by country name (in English), by town name, by institute name, by author name, by author first name. So, as of this writing, the list starts with authors from Armenia.

Re: The Absurdity of Nobel Prizes in Science

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post #9

Personally I find peace prizes abominable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Peace_Prize_laur... They just got way too political.

I would have given it to Kennedy and Khrushchev for avoiding nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Re: The Absurdity of Nobel Prizes in Science

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I think that there is a similar problem in the software world when it comes to free software projects. Who created Python? Linux? Perl? Wikipedia? If your answer is Guido van Rossum, Linus Torvalds, Larry Wall and Jimmy Wales you are about as wrong as the Nobel Prize committee. But sometimes there are a single guy who is responsible for a lot of the project even if that person is almost never credited, like Tom Lane or Fabricio Bellard.

I don't know about what to do about this unfair distribution of credit. Probably nothing.

Re: The Absurdity of Nobel Prizes in Science

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post #54

For me Nobel prices in Science are one of the things that work better the way they are that most alternatives. Nobel prices in peace are ridiculous. Not talking about (fake) Nobel prices of Economy that do not exist but have managed to buy themselves some recognition because the money printing of central bankers. For me this article is absurd. If you have a better way of giving to science, create your own price with…

> Not talking about (fake) Nobel prices of Economy that do not exist but have managed to buy themselves some recognition because the money printing of central bankers.

Name one Nobel prize winner in economics with whom you disagree the awarding and explain your disagreement.

Otherwise your comment can be dismissed as another vapid "I disagree with the economics Nobel because the economic science sometimes disagree with my preferred political ideology".

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