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Re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai accused of cherry-picking data to repeal net neutrality

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Post by 15charlimit »

shmerl wrote: post #29
matt4077 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They tried is as a test balloon and, with the new data they got, saw that they can't get the numbers to where they would need to be to be profitable. The alternative here isn't that they would run something of that size indefinitely, knowing that it will lose them money. It's Google behaving like every single other company currently in existence: deciding up front that it's too risky and not even trying. At least it…

Legacy ISPs managed it somehow? So I don't see why Google can't. Especially since technology has improved (microtrenching and etc.). If anyone, Google has enough money to pull it off and seriously compete with incumbents.

These "legacy ISPs" have, since they first got started and became entrenched, purchased enough legislation to make it effectively impossible for any real competition to take root. Google Fiber's failure was not a technological failure, it was a political failure.

Re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai accused of cherry-picking data to repeal net neutrality

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Post by MBCook »

kobeya wrote: post #23
r00fus wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GOP needs a solid defeat in 2018 or the Internet will become a lot more "comcastic".

Internet neutrality is not a hot button issue for most of the voting demographic, nor should it arguably be. Definitely an upper middle class problem.

Really? You don’t think middle or lower class people should worry about getting locked into an Internet where they have to pay extra to access the ‘good’ job sites or alternate media or where they have to pay $10/mo simply because everyone ‘has to have Facebook’ and that costs extra?

The rich can afford to pay their way around stupid Comcast tiers.

Re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai accused of cherry-picking data to repeal net neutrality

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Post by betterunix2 »

This is hardly news; I pointed out as much in the comment I submitted a few months back. The fact is that Ajit Pai had decided to repeal net neutrality and only accepted public comment because the law requires him to do so. His NPRM is riddled with half-truths and outright falsehoods; cherry-picked examples; and false dichotomies. The commentary he sought was a litany of leading questions meant to support his decision to end net neutrality (ironically, some of the questions did not even accomplish that despite clearly being intended to do so, likely because his decision making process never involved a serious effort to understand the technical details of the Internet).

Re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai accused of cherry-picking data to repeal net neutrality

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Post by shmerl »

15charlimit wrote: post #31
shmerl wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legacy ISPs managed it somehow? So I don't see why Google can't. Especially since technology has improved (microtrenching and etc.). If anyone, Google has enough money to pull it off and seriously compete with incumbents.

These "legacy ISPs" have, since they first got started and became entrenched, purchased enough legislation to make it effectively impossible for any real competition to take root. Google Fiber's failure was not a technological failure, it was a political failure.

So, Google could spend the money to purge that political garbage. They kind of tried, with pushing "one touch make ready" policy. The stated goal of GF was to increase competition in ISP market. So far their service was while positive, far from sufficient.

Re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai accused of cherry-picking data to repeal net neutrality

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Post by rhino369 »

dgllghr wrote: post #10
hsod wrote: post #3

Net neutrality was dead the moment Trump won the election. Pai was specifically chosen in order to repeal it. Public comments and hearings and reports are all theater. If we wanted Net Neutrality to stick around, we shouldn't have elected a President who openly opposes it ( https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/53260835850816716... ).

While Pai and the FCC will do whatever they can to repeal Net Neutrality, the FCC operates with well defined stipulations. Once the FCC repeals Net Neutrality, it will be sued. And when it is sued, the burden will be on the FCC to prove that they had good reason to repeal Net Neutrality. That is why these public comments are so important, not because of Pai's actions, but because of the court case that will follow. I…

The Supreme Court already heard this issue in the mid 2000s and found the FCC could regulate ISPs as title 1. They could reconsider, but I doubt they will.

Re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai accused of cherry-picking data to repeal net neutrality

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Post by vkou »

MBCook wrote: post #32
kobeya wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Internet neutrality is not a hot button issue for most of the voting demographic, nor should it arguably be. Definitely an upper middle class problem.

Really? You don’t think middle or lower class people should worry about getting locked into an Internet where they have to pay extra to access the ‘good’ job sites or alternate media or where they have to pay $10/mo simply because everyone ‘has to have Facebook’ and that costs extra? The rich can afford to pay their way around stupid Comcast tiers.

That's all a problem, but a lot less important then whether or not you'll have health insurance next month, or whether your cousin will be shipped off to fight yet another war in the Middle East, or whether there will be coal jobs in your state (The answer is no, regardless of who you vote for, but at least one side will tell you that there will be.)

Re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai accused of cherry-picking data to repeal net neutrality

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Post by sova »

hsod wrote: post #3

Net neutrality was dead the moment Trump won the election. Pai was specifically chosen in order to repeal it. Public comments and hearings and reports are all theater. If we wanted Net Neutrality to stick around, we shouldn't have elected a President who openly opposes it ( https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/53260835850816716... ).

Net Neutrality is part of Freedom of Speech and I will not waive my right so thoughtlessly simply because a different human sits behind a respected desk.

Re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai accused of cherry-picking data to repeal net neutrality

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Post by nnfy »

Am I the only one bothered by the reclassification of ISPs as telecommunications companies? For this reason, net neutrality drastically expands the reach of the federal government, and opens up the internet to legal regulations drafted decades before the internet was even an idea.

Re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai accused of cherry-picking data to repeal net neutrality

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Post by [deleted] »

rhino369 wrote: post #35
dgllghr wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While Pai and the FCC will do whatever they can to repeal Net Neutrality, the FCC operates with well defined stipulations. Once the FCC repeals Net Neutrality, it will be sued. And when it is sued, the burden will be on the FCC to prove that they had good reason to repeal Net Neutrality. That is why these public comments are so important, not because of Pai's actions, but because of the court case that will follow. I…

The Supreme Court already heard this issue in the mid 2000s and found the FCC could regulate ISPs as title 1. They could reconsider, but I doubt they will.

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Re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai accused of cherry-picking data to repeal net neutrality

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Post by knodi »

hsod wrote: post #3

Net neutrality was dead the moment Trump won the election. Pai was specifically chosen in order to repeal it. Public comments and hearings and reports are all theater. If we wanted Net Neutrality to stick around, we shouldn't have elected a President who openly opposes it ( https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/53260835850816716... ).

We didn't he and the GOP cheated their way in.
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