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Switching to e-cigarettes could save 6.6M American smokers

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Genuinely curious; what's keeping you from quitting altogether? Is quitting a priority for you?

> 9 months ago i tried one out, and that same day was the very last day i ever smoked a cigarette. Looks like he's doing pretty well. Nicotine is extremely addictive. One does not just quit smoking.

Yes, yes we do.

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vaping definitely isn't healthy but it doesn't take much time vaping to determine that it's less bad for you than smoking. i still want to quit nicotine entirely one day but until that day comes, my vape pen and i are good friends. 9 months ago i tried one out, and that same day was the very last day i ever smoked a cigarette.

Is vaping unhealthy because nicotine is inherently unhealthy or are there other harms associated with vaping itself? Need to quit smoking cigarettes myself.

With cigarettes, it's the burning that creates the issue, as the excessive amounts of heat create the carcinogens and the smoke.

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Our society's tendency to moralize or rationalize issues has made it tough to talk about harm reduction. Moralizers focus on the corrosive elements of addiction and rationalizers say that e-cigs are still harmful but they miss the point that many people who smoke e-cigs are better off than they would be if they used cigs to get their nicotine. E-cigs offer a better path to cessation through better control of the nico…

>E-cigs offer a better path to cessation through better control of the nicotine concentrations than cigs do, and e-cigs are probably one of the least harmful ways to get nicotine (and they're certainly cheaper than gum and patches). Alternatively, e-cigs have made nicotine consumption cheaper, faster, more convenient, more socially acceptable, and available at much higher concentrations than tobacco. The aggregate be…

Do you have a source on that claim? I'm pretty sure you're thinking of the cardiovascular effects of smoking, and attributing all of those effects to nicotine, which is incorrect. Everything I've read on the subject indicates that nicotine's role in cardiovascular disease is quite minor.

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#44
I was disappointed to see that the city I live in (Oakland) had banned the sale of vaping materials and e-cigs, along with menthols and other flavored tobacco products, to "protect the children". I know many people who have stopped smoking real tobacco because of the introduction of gaping, so Oakland's decision just seems ignorant to me.

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> vaping definitely isn't healthy That's a bold statement, how exactly is vaping definitely not healthy?

Because you are inhaling foreign chemicals into your lung in higher then normal dosages. How is that a bold statement? People run around vaping like there are zero consequences, but I wouldn't be surprised if research eventually emerges saying certain lower quality fillers/vape mixtures will result in mechanical damage and cancer of the lungs and esophagus. Something similar was apparent with flavoring agents being u…

"There's a plausible mechanism for harm" is not the same as "definitely unhealthy". The word "definitely" is the bold part.

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#46

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> 9 months ago i tried one out, and that same day was the very last day i ever smoked a cigarette. Looks like he's doing pretty well. Nicotine is extremely addictive. One does not just quit smoking.

> One does not just quit smoking. Plenty of people do.

It used to be most people who quit permanently did so by going cold turkey. That was true even after patches and gums, but I'm not sure if it's still true with vaping.

Though I have a theory cold turkey quitting normally happens after a health scare of some variety. My father was a 45 year smoker and quit the day of his heart attack.

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> vaping definitely isn't healthy That's a bold statement, how exactly is vaping definitely not healthy?

Because you are inhaling foreign chemicals into your lung in higher then normal dosages. How is that a bold statement? People run around vaping like there are zero consequences, but I wouldn't be surprised if research eventually emerges saying certain lower quality fillers/vape mixtures will result in mechanical damage and cancer of the lungs and esophagus. Something similar was apparent with flavoring agents being u…

"I wouldn't be surprised..." isn't really a strong enough sentiment to support the statement "vaping definitely isn't healthy". At the moment, the harms of vaping are speculative.

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>E-cigs offer a better path to cessation through better control of the nicotine concentrations than cigs do, and e-cigs are probably one of the least harmful ways to get nicotine (and they're certainly cheaper than gum and patches). Alternatively, e-cigs have made nicotine consumption cheaper, faster, more convenient, more socially acceptable, and available at much higher concentrations than tobacco. The aggregate be…

Do you have a source on that claim? I'm pretty sure you're thinking of the cardiovascular effects of smoking , and attributing all of those effects to nicotine, which is incorrect. Everything I've read on the subject indicates that nicotine's role in cardiovascular disease is quite minor.

Sadly...

http://www.onlinejacc.org/content/29/7/1422

Edit: To clarify, there is still no contest at all between potential long term harm from smoking, and massively reduced potential for harm from vaping. Sorry for my lack of responsibility in making that point clearly, or at all.

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Both. Even vaping 0mg nicotine is bad for you, but not nearly as bad as smoking.

Has it really been proven that nicotine itself is dangerous? I'm thinking of articles like https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-nicotine-all-b... I'm obviously talking about moderate doses. I know concentrated nicotine is very toxic :)

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Re: Switching to e-cigarettes could save 6.6M American smokers

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e-cigs are not the answer: See FDA [1].

An intervention that has proved effective for saving lives from tobacco use is MPOWER from the World Health Organization. Raise the cost of tobacco through taxes, ban smoking in public places, hard-hitting, scary, anti-smoking ads, doctors talking to their patients about quitting, nicotine replacement therapy, telephone counseling support. In NYC the age for purchase is 21 as it is nationwide for alcohol. In NYC, the minimum cost per pack is $13.

[1] https://blogs.fda.gov/fdavoice/index.php/2016/08/protecting-...

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