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Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by dahart »

cowsandmilk wrote: post #68
dahart wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is such a weird thing to think It's weird to expect that deleting your account will result in the account being deleted and notifications for the account you no longer have to go away? It's nice to know there's a workaround for when account deletion isn't respected, but you could skip the incredulity, you shouldn't have to go through your settings, and your settings shouldn't affect your notifications, if you…

> It's weird to expect that deleting your account will result in the account being deleted and notifications for the account you no longer have to go away? But the person above just stopped using their account, didn't delete it (or disable it, which is what facebook sends you on the path towards), so that is why the notifications continued. They still had an active account, just hadn't logged in for some time.

Yes, but the person above only had an account to stop using because Facebook wouldn't delete it when asked, similar to the OP's post. Reasonable / normal expectation is that notifications should have stopped the first time.

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by bcoates »

intoverflow2 wrote: post #46
Twisell wrote: post #17

Actually I think that an extra step is required to fully "delete" while the standard procedure only "deactivate" accounts. I've permanently delete back in 2014 but actually needed a "ghost account" in 2016 to access some FB walled garden content. I used the same email as my former one and data was gone, no restauration was proposed. (However friend suggestion based on email showed up due to some probable shadow accou…

I did similar with a good 6 years between and with two different emails on different domains and it's friends suggestions both in it's own app and Instagram (not linked to FB account but sharing an email) manage to reference people I only ever knew during the time of the first account and never even interacted with on Facebook. e.g a guy I interned for 10 years ago who I never spoke to/added on FB keeps showing up in…

Those people probably have your email in an inbox Facebook slurped (possibly as a CC or something)

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

659087 wrote: post #53
AndrewStephens wrote: post #15

I wrote this several years ago - it is still true: https://sheep.horse/2013/10/the_seven_realities_of_social_ne... You do not have a Facebook page. You never did. Facebook has a page on you.

> And besides, they take nothing that you don't give them. This isn't true, at all. Facebook collects plenty of data that users and non-users don't directly give them.

I think it's important to make a couple of distinctions here.

1. Facebook collects on you when you interact with their systems

2. You can purposefully interact with facebook systems by requesting content from a Facebook registered IP (eg, FB.com, whatsapp, IG, Messenger, comment widget etc...)

3. You can passively interact with facebook systems by accessing a website that posts metadata/telemetry to a Facebook registered IP (eg. FB pixel etc...)

In either case you are requesting to access or interact with a facebook system, however in the latter you aren't aware of it unless you know to block it specifically.

So yes you do directly give it to them, but it's guilt by association. It's also not hidden at all, you can inspect the page and see the requests clearly [1].

I think the major issue is that 99% of people have no clue any of this is happening and just assume that they aren't under the spotlight of facebook because they aren't on facebook.com. However it's not just facebook, it's thousands of internet companies not to mention all of the ISPs and State Actors. So Facebook isn't really the issue, the issue is that people don't know or care about how their data flows around the world.

[1]https://imgur.com/a/G8FQz

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by AndrewStephens »

659087 wrote: post #53
AndrewStephens wrote: post #15

I wrote this several years ago - it is still true: https://sheep.horse/2013/10/the_seven_realities_of_social_ne... You do not have a Facebook page. You never did. Facebook has a page on you.

> And besides, they take nothing that you don't give them. This isn't true, at all. Facebook collects plenty of data that users and non-users don't directly give them.

You are correct, of course, although this was not so widespread at the time I wrote this piece (sometime in 2007 I think, despite what the byline claims.)

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by stevenwoo »

jononor wrote: post #70
_jal wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't a matter of backbone. Legislators are simply representing the interests of their customers, such as Experian and Facebook.

This seems incompatible with democracy.

We can blame/credit the Citizens United Supreme Court decision.

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by wpietri »

imustbeevil wrote: post #55
bmelton wrote: post #26

I've tried (and failed) to delete my Facebook a couple times in the past, so this most recent go, when I quit using Facebook, I just quit using Facebook -- I uninstalled the apps from my phone, and mapped 'facebook.com' to localhost in my /etc/hosts files. The result was... amusing. Facebook kept emailing me the "Hey, did you see what so and so posted?" emails, knowing full well that I didn't see them. But then, afte…

This is such a weird thing to think. You can turn off all notifications and they'll never contact you, ever. I stopped using Facebook 6 years ago and haven't gotten a single email / sms from them since then, because I used the settings properly. Yeah, if you just ghost them and never click "update your email settings" at the bottom of every email they send, they'll keep sending them.

Is it? "I'll leave them alone and they'll leave me alone" seems like a pretty normal thing to think.

Me, I think it's weird to think: "It's perfectly reasonable that if you once give somebody your email they will bother you until the end of time unless you jump through any arbitrary hoops they set up."

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by [deleted] »

dahart wrote: post #64
imustbeevil wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a weird thing to think. You can turn off all notifications and they'll never contact you, ever. I stopped using Facebook 6 years ago and haven't gotten a single email / sms from them since then, because I used the settings properly. Yeah, if you just ghost them and never click "update your email settings" at the bottom of every email they send, they'll keep sending them.

> This is such a weird thing to think It's weird to expect that deleting your account will result in the account being deleted and notifications for the account you no longer have to go away? It's nice to know there's a workaround for when account deletion isn't respected, but you could skip the incredulity, you shouldn't have to go through your settings, and your settings shouldn't affect your notifications, if you…

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Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by skrowl »

I deleted mine over 10 years ago. My wife (who still uses) said that people still click on the "wish happy birthday" shit for me every year.

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by tjr »

SKYRHO_ wrote: post #20

It's been a while (6-8months) since I DELETED my account, but I do remember separate options for delete vs deactivation. Out of curiosity I tried logging in again and received "email you have entered does not match any account". While I'm sure the account exists somewhere in the facebook database, it appears to have been successfully deleted. Anyone else have similar results?

I "deleted" my account in 2013. In 2015, I was working on something that required a Facebook account, and I figured I'd try logging in again to see if it was really gone or not. I got a response similar to yours -- seemed to really be gone.

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by imustbeevil »

wpietri wrote: post #76
imustbeevil wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a weird thing to think. You can turn off all notifications and they'll never contact you, ever. I stopped using Facebook 6 years ago and haven't gotten a single email / sms from them since then, because I used the settings properly. Yeah, if you just ghost them and never click "update your email settings" at the bottom of every email they send, they'll keep sending them.

Is it? "I'll leave them alone and they'll leave me alone" seems like a pretty normal thing to think. Me, I think it's weird to think: "It's perfectly reasonable that if you once give somebody your email they will bother you until the end of time unless you jump through any arbitrary hoops they set up."

If every email they send has an unsubscribe link and you don't click it, you're kind of losing the reasonable grounds to expect them to stop emailing you.

I've done this before, just let myself keep getting emails and hoped they stopped. Then I just clicked all of the unsubscribe links they are legally required to put in every email, and I never got an email again.

You don't have to hope for what you want, you can act upon it.

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