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Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by nieksand »

gberger wrote: post #14
nathantotten wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least for European customers. This won’t help everyone.

How is "European customer" defined? If someone is not European but resides in Europe, do they have this right? If someone not from Europe travels to Europe and issues the request while inside Europe, do they have this right? (If so, would using a VPN work?)

I recently went to a GDPR seminar and the presenter claimed that GDPR applies to everybody physically in the EU (even tourists while they are passing through).

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by adtac »

gberger wrote: post #14
nathantotten wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least for European customers. This won’t help everyone.

How is "European customer" defined? If someone is not European but resides in Europe, do they have this right? If someone not from Europe travels to Europe and issues the request while inside Europe, do they have this right? (If so, would using a VPN work?)

If that's actually the case, I can see a Deletion-as-a-service business. "We thoroughly delete your account for you."

The fact that I have to come up such mechanisms is a damning indictment of the way things are.

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by mtgx »

AndrewStephens wrote: post #15

I wrote this several years ago - it is still true: https://sheep.horse/2013/10/the_seven_realities_of_social_ne... You do not have a Facebook page. You never did. Facebook has a page on you.

A dossier, if you will.

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by Raphmedia »

mtgx wrote: post #23
AndrewStephens wrote: post #15

I wrote this several years ago - it is still true: https://sheep.horse/2013/10/the_seven_realities_of_social_ne... You do not have a Facebook page. You never did. Facebook has a page on you.

A dossier , if you will.

One could almost call it a book of faces.

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by IshKebab »

trishmapow2 wrote: post #19

https://haveibeenpwned.com Make sure that you don't have any insecure accounts or reuse passwords that have been exposed through breaches.

Really annoyingly though they don't provide the hashes. I'd really like to know which passwords have been leaked.

Does anyone know of a similar site that provides hashes? I don't need the complete list - just the hashes for my email.

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by bmelton »

I've tried (and failed) to delete my Facebook a couple times in the past, so this most recent go, when I quit using Facebook, I just quit using Facebook -- I uninstalled the apps from my phone, and mapped 'facebook.com' to localhost in my /etc/hosts files.

The result was... amusing. Facebook kept emailing me the "Hey, did you see what so and so posted?" emails, knowing full well that I didn't see them. But then, after that, I started getting weekly reminders that "You haven't updated your timeline in a week". Facebook, ever the clingy ex-girlfriend it is, seemed to start amping up the frequency of the emails the more I neglected them, so I started just marking them as spam.

Two blissful days went by in which Facebook wasn't a distraction, but then they shifted from email to SMS which, as an Android/Hangouts user, was even more annoying, since now I have to engage in multiple steps to delete.

They really, really want me to use their service.

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

nathantotten wrote: post #4
Artemis2 wrote: post #2

Quite looking forward to GDPR forcing Facebook to actually remove all records they have on me. It’s a pain to implement for businesses, but it’s ultimately the right move.

At least for European customers. This won’t help everyone.

The US needs to grow some backbone and pass equivalent privacy (and antitrust, while they're at it) laws. If something is a certain way in both the US and EU, most tech companies won't bother doing any differently worldwide.

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by mikeash »

adrianratnapala wrote: post #5

Well when I "deleted" my account years ago, Facebook made it absolutely clear that it was really only deactiviating the thing and that it would retain its records. Nonetheless, as far as any of my friends can tell, I am no longer on Facebook at all. So maybe the author of this post removed his account at an earlier period when Facebook didn't make such an honest claim. In that case the title should be "Facebook used…

The help page about deactivating or deleting (they are two separate actions) makes it quite clear that your data will be gone, not merely rendered inaccessible, when you delete: https://www.facebook.com/help/250563911970368

That page uses the phrase "permanently delete[d]" multiple times, says there's "no option for recovery," and calls out some information they do keep because it's not actually part of your count, implying that the rest is not kept.

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by yeukhon »

bmelton wrote: post #26

I've tried (and failed) to delete my Facebook a couple times in the past, so this most recent go, when I quit using Facebook, I just quit using Facebook -- I uninstalled the apps from my phone, and mapped 'facebook.com' to localhost in my /etc/hosts files. The result was... amusing. Facebook kept emailing me the "Hey, did you see what so and so posted?" emails, knowing full well that I didn't see them. But then, afte…

I don’t see why that isn’t expected. Next time try deactivate it instead of uninstall the app, then there is an option to opt out communication. In your account settings, you can also opt out. I have not received a single email from facebook since then (although I am back on it again).

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by 482794793792894 »

SKYRHO_ wrote: post #20

It's been a while (6-8months) since I DELETED my account, but I do remember separate options for delete vs deactivation. Out of curiosity I tried logging in again and received "email you have entered does not match any account". While I'm sure the account exists somewhere in the facebook database, it appears to have been successfully deleted. Anyone else have similar results?

Haven't ever had a Facebook account, but I've encountered the deactivation-deletion dark pattern before, most recently on Twitch.

I think, it's a matter of them being required by law (won't be the case in all countries) to have true account deletion, but then they try to deflect as many users as possible from actually deleting their accounts by having an account deactivation option and having it in a far more prominent place.

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