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Re: iMac Pro

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Post by bischofs »

allwein wrote: post #180
bischofs wrote: post #108

Linux is getting better as a desktop OS. I hope that continues so Apple gets some competition - Marketing an all-in-one as a Pro machine is just arrogant, I don't care whats under the hood the form factor is wrong. I have been using mint 18 with cinnamon 3 and its a nice GUI and rock solid stable. It runs my dev env but also 24/7 servers and a few daemons. I just added some more ram for cheap (up to 24GB ) to run mor…

What is "donglegate"?

The MBP has 4 thunderbolt USB-C ports and nothing else, everything I own does not support USB-C (including my iphone).

I like the idea of a single cable for everything but I cant afford to replace my monitors, keyboard, mouse, speakers etc. all at once.

Re: iMac Pro

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Post by bluedino »

bischofs wrote: post #108

Linux is getting better as a desktop OS. I hope that continues so Apple gets some competition - Marketing an all-in-one as a Pro machine is just arrogant, I don't care whats under the hood the form factor is wrong. I have been using mint 18 with cinnamon 3 and its a nice GUI and rock solid stable. It runs my dev env but also 24/7 servers and a few daemons. I just added some more ram for cheap (up to 24GB ) to run mor…

Doesn't run Adobe, Final Cut, ProTools...

Re: iMac Pro

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Post by mrblue182 »

evilduck wrote: post #117
bkdbkd wrote: post #103

Amateur extreme. Pro's need a machine that can evolve over time. More memory, larger storage as it becomes available, God forbid - a faster cpu. Remember the PC platform is inherently upgradeable. The LGA2066 chipset can be used with 8+ different CPU's. Pro's invest in proper tools to support their work, not in souped up toys. Without offense meant to my Honda bretheren, this in the same line as the $100,000 Civic mo…

I hear this sentiment all the time that "pro users need the ability to upgrade" but not once in a decade of my professional programming career have I _ever_ seen a computer at a workplace upgraded. They get purchased, they get repaired, they get retired or they trickle down to "lesser users", but I've never seen anyone get additional RAM or a drop in CPU replacement on an employer-owned machine. If you needed a bette…

I worked briefly in IT and a large part of my job was to go around and upgrade the RAM on people's machines. Not saying it's common across the industry but it is done.

Re: iMac Pro

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Post by IntelMiner »

blunte wrote: post #153
trosi wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is a fully specceed Macbook Pro / iMac really not enough for her? This thing looks way too overpowered

Never underestimate the ability of Adobe to make a computer feel slow. I'm a user and fan of their Premiere and Illustrator products, but I believe they need to invest a lot more energy into: 1 - making their stuff crash less often! and 2 - optimizing some of the unreasonably slow features. In a way, ever more powerful computers like this have enabled Adobe to stay lazy. But it is what it is, and at the end of the da…

I do some video editing to make goofy videos for friends

On a whim I tried out the latest version of Adobe Premiere (I normally just use Sony Vegas, or "Vegas Pro" as it's now called)

On an i7-4790 with 16 gigs of memory, a GTX 970 and an SSD, Vegas loads in roughly 5-6 seconds

Premiere took roughly a minute, and rendered the entire system unusable while it loaded! after loading, just sitting at an empty main screen, it was consuming a monstrous 8GB of memory all by itself

Vegas by contrast, even when I shovel Blu Ray videos into it, barely peaks above 1.5GB, and I'm able to multi-task even while rendering

Re: iMac Pro

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Post by ido »

dman wrote: post #97
cjsuk wrote: post #74

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I'm going to be honest: I never had any PC problems really until Windows 10 came around. Occasionally windows update would get bonked or I'd hose the machine myself but it was pretty reliable. That's going back to Windows NT 3.51 for me. Since Windows 10, screw it. QA is gone. So many little papercuts it's not worth it any more. I use my two Macs and rarely touch the PC, an HP z620 which has just been a total pile of…

Have you considered the possibility that you just had a bad machine?

I've had many PCs and macs, about one every couple of years since 1987 (4 macs and probably ~ a dozen PCs).

Without fail the PCs always break in at lease some minor but still annoying way even tho I buy high end hardware where as the macs do not.

Re: iMac Pro

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Post by vacri »

ido wrote: post #187
dman wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered the possibility that you just had a bad machine?

I've had many PCs and macs, about one every couple of years since 1987 (4 macs and probably ~ a dozen PCs). Without fail the PCs always break in at lease some minor but still annoying way even tho I buy high end hardware where as the macs do not.

Macs fail often. It's just annoying to hear this myth perpetuated that they never fail. They might fail less than other vendors' laptops, but 'macs never fail' is clearly not true - one simple example is 'staingate'.

Re: iMac Pro

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Post by vacri »

bkdbkd wrote: post #164
evilduck wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear this sentiment all the time that "pro users need the ability to upgrade" but not once in a decade of my professional programming career have I _ever_ seen a computer at a workplace upgraded. They get purchased, they get repaired, they get retired or they trickle down to "lesser users", but I've never seen anyone get additional RAM or a drop in CPU replacement on an employer-owned machine. If you needed a bette…

I've been a 'pro' software engineer for a couple decades and the large place's I've worked have actually upgraded machines that actually could be upgraded: with more ram, better video, etc. I did a couple years as an IT Consultant and every single small shop, contractor, developer, video editor, recording studio, who are also 'Pros' by the way, I've ever worked with has always looked to upgrade their hardware before…

Apple clearly think that the segment of the 'pro' market that desires upgradability is smaller than the reach they get from having 'all-in-one'.

Re: iMac Pro

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Post by K0SM0S »

bischofs wrote: post #108

Linux is getting better as a desktop OS. I hope that continues so Apple gets some competition - Marketing an all-in-one as a Pro machine is just arrogant, I don't care whats under the hood the form factor is wrong. I have been using mint 18 with cinnamon 3 and its a nice GUI and rock solid stable. It runs my dev env but also 24/7 servers and a few daemons. I just added some more ram for cheap (up to 24GB ) to run mor…

> rock solid stable

Huh, actually, thanks to NVIDIA, the latest drivers are likely to make your Mint 18.x failing to boot (requiring safe mode in 4.4.53, uninstalling 38x.xx drivers, reinstalling 36x.xx, etc.) One word: PITA. The aforementioned manufacturer is apparently aware of the issue, has been for months, but they're not fixing poop.

So as it appears that Nvidia still is playing their sad stupid little proprietary game on Linux (Mint can't fix the issue)... sadly it is better/safer to stick to the big distros (Ubuntu, notably) if stability is your main concern.

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TLDR: PSA: too modified/exotic distros (like Mint+Cinnamon) are not well supported by some manufacturers, like Nvidia (nothing new under the sun, heh). Better use major ones (e.g. Ubuntu, main flavor will soon be Gnome 3 by 2018-04).

PS: No, I don't particularly like Ubuntu, but do we like Windows? Irrelevant, that's how we run Premiere Pro or previously .NET. Do we like macOS? Irrelevant, that's how we publish on iOS. Reality is what it is, and Ubuntu (vanilla/primary, as opposed to Ubuntu-based distros) is the chosen one for hardware support (usually, afaik).

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