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Google Unveils Tools to Increase Subscriptions for Publishers

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Re: Google Unveils Tools to Increase Subscriptions for Publishers

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Just change your web browser's User-Agent to the Google crawler?

That said, some publishers are smart and also check to see if your IP is in a Google range.

EDIT: That is, you can check the PTR record of an IP: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/80553?hl=en

Re: Google Unveils Tools to Increase Subscriptions for Publishers

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post #15
post #9

I have no problem with this. But in return I should be able to opt out of results that I cannot view. A result for a news article that changes when I click on it to a "Please subscribe..." plea is not the result that was returned that I clicked on. Unfortunately, like the AMP fiasco, I doubt this is what will happen as Google doesn't exist to serve it's users.

You block the sources in your Google News feed. https://news.google.com/news/u/0/settings/sources?hl=en

So "blocking paywalls" that appear accessible in Google Search is now "opt out"?

Ewww. This might be the time I hit Duck Duck Go.

To be clear, I have no issue with paywalls. But they should be flagged as such.

"Article title: blah blah blah [Subscription required to view content]" even.

But they won't do that, because publishers, who buy advertising, will scream because they KNOW their click through rates would plummet. After all, even with a paywall, you still get plenty of metrics and advertising bumps on that first click to the site.

Re: Google Unveils Tools to Increase Subscriptions for Publishers

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post #9

I have no problem with this. But in return I should be able to opt out of results that I cannot view. A result for a news article that changes when I click on it to a "Please subscribe..." plea is not the result that was returned that I clicked on. Unfortunately, like the AMP fiasco, I doubt this is what will happen as Google doesn't exist to serve it's users.

DuckDuckGo has gotten a lot better and is now a pretty decent alternative. You lose some features and the UI is less visually pleasing, but you can always go back to Google when you know you want a specific feature.

Re: Google Unveils Tools to Increase Subscriptions for Publishers

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post #9

I have no problem with this. But in return I should be able to opt out of results that I cannot view. A result for a news article that changes when I click on it to a "Please subscribe..." plea is not the result that was returned that I clicked on. Unfortunately, like the AMP fiasco, I doubt this is what will happen as Google doesn't exist to serve it's users.

There was a time when Google made a public priority of the importance of the site showing the visitor the same thing it showed the search engine. I believe they called it cloaking or masking? Someone into SEO will probably know the details better than I.

If I click a link on Google, I should see the same results that Google 'saw.' I think a fancier word for this would be 'trust.'

So far, I like Google's results and make use of their personalized results. One of the reasons I do so is because I trust the results, for certain definitions of trust that is.

If I can't trust that the site showed me the same response that it showed Google, we have an erosion of that trust. It may be time for me to seek an alternative.

Re: Google Unveils Tools to Increase Subscriptions for Publishers

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post #21
post #4

Just change your web browser's User-Agent to the Google crawler?

That said, some publishers are smart and also check to see if your IP is in a Google range. EDIT: That is, you can check the PTR record of an IP: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/80553?hl=en

You can set the PTR record of an IP to a domain you don't control. Most ISPs won't let you do that, though. Also, whatever host you set as the PTR record won't resolve back to your IP.

Re: Google Unveils Tools to Increase Subscriptions for Publishers

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post #21
post #4

Just change your web browser's User-Agent to the Google crawler?

That said, some publishers are smart and also check to see if your IP is in a Google range. EDIT: That is, you can check the PTR record of an IP: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/80553?hl=en

Hmm, I wonder if setting up a VPN on Google Cloud would do the trick.

Re: Google Unveils Tools to Increase Subscriptions for Publishers

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post #9

I have no problem with this. But in return I should be able to opt out of results that I cannot view. A result for a news article that changes when I click on it to a "Please subscribe..." plea is not the result that was returned that I clicked on. Unfortunately, like the AMP fiasco, I doubt this is what will happen as Google doesn't exist to serve it's users.

> I doubt this is what will happen as Google doesn't exist to serve it's users.

There intent is to serve users with quality, truthful information. If all the quality information goes out of business and gets replaced with "Fwd:Fwd:Fwd: Obama failed New Orleans during Katrina!!" then Google doesn't have any more quality information anymore.

Google and Facebook are becoming acutely aware of how easily dishonest propaganda can propagate through their systems and are trying to find a solution for that. One step is making sure that people who have to make a living finding the truth for us all have the means to get paid.

Re: Google Unveils Tools to Increase Subscriptions for Publishers

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Subscriptions are just the wrong model for news publishers. There's NO way I could possibly afford to subscribe to every news output I occasionally read news from, unless the subscriptions were so close to free as to be useless as a revenue source for the publisher. It's just not going to happen.

What we desperately need is a real, useful micro-payments model where you can pay per-article. I'd be happy to pay you a few cents, or a dollar, or whatever, for each of the 3 or 4 articles I read on your site per month. But I'm not buying a subscription just to read 3 or 4 articles. The economics just don't work.

Re: Google Unveils Tools to Increase Subscriptions for Publishers

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post #9

I have no problem with this. But in return I should be able to opt out of results that I cannot view. A result for a news article that changes when I click on it to a "Please subscribe..." plea is not the result that was returned that I clicked on. Unfortunately, like the AMP fiasco, I doubt this is what will happen as Google doesn't exist to serve it's users.

I kinda hope they would put a symbol to indicate a paywall (for example, a green brick wall), like how some articles are labelled with a lightning bolt for AMP-ed pages.

Re: Google Unveils Tools to Increase Subscriptions for Publishers

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That said, some publishers are smart and also check to see if your IP is in a Google range. EDIT: That is, you can check the PTR record of an IP: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/80553?hl=en

You can set the PTR record of an IP to a domain you don't control. Most ISPs won't let you do that, though. Also, whatever host you set as the PTR record won't resolve back to your IP.

Sure, but like you said most consumer ISPs don't let you ;). A business is most likely going to subscribe if they need it, and us "hacker" types aren't cutting into their profits that much by circumventing heh.
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