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Las Vegas Shooting Kills More Than 50

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Re: Las Vegas Shooting Kills More Than 50

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Post by CaptSpify »

daleco wrote: post #28
notacoward wrote: post #26

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> How would one make it 'practically impossible'? I can think of two fairly simple measures. (1) His weapons should have been inspected on entry to the hotel, to ensure not only legality but condition and unloaded state as well. In this case, that would have resulted in them being flagged as illegal full-auto conversions. (2) Ammunition should have been stored separately, in the lobby or the basement, in total accord…

Do you mean that we would need metal detectors at every single hotels? And get your luggages inspected? This is not feasible.

Not only is it not feasible, it's downright invasive.

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Post by reitanqild »

pjc50 wrote: post #30
true_religion wrote: post #23

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The NRA represents their membership, not all gun-owners everywhere. > it should be practically impossible to bring eight long weapons and hundreds of rounds How would one make it 'practically impossible'? I think most people agree that we would like to ensure day-to-day safety, but the disagreement is "at what cost"? The NRA defends against removing a constitutional protection against tyranny, simply because might ac…

> constitutional protection against tyranny The idea of a right to armed revolution is the whole problem. This is indistinguishable from terrorism.

I don’t quite follow. Would you mind explaining what you mean?

Re: Las Vegas Shooting Kills More Than 50

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Post by daleco »

notacoward wrote: post #29
daleco wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you mean that we would need metal detectors at every single hotels? And get your luggages inspected? This is not feasible.

Have you ever traveled to another country? It might change your perspective on what's feasible and what's not. It's politically infeasible here because of groups like the NRA, but it's perfectly feasible in terms of logistics and any normal perception of rights. Remember, hotels are private property. Any owner of private property should have the right to exclude or limit dangerous items on that property. Any reasonab…

Yes, I travelled a bit, I'm French living in the US.

Let's say that they prohibit it (some establishments do), without proper security screening, it would be easy to sneak anything in if you want to. The cost to implement this type of security seems too high (hardware + employees). The public may also reject that, the TSA is quite infamous in the US.

Have you been in any country that has this type of security in their hotels?

Re: Las Vegas Shooting Kills More Than 50

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Post by notacoward »

daleco wrote: post #33
notacoward wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever traveled to another country? It might change your perspective on what's feasible and what's not. It's politically infeasible here because of groups like the NRA, but it's perfectly feasible in terms of logistics and any normal perception of rights. Remember, hotels are private property. Any owner of private property should have the right to exclude or limit dangerous items on that property. Any reasonab…

Yes, I travelled a bit, I'm French living in the US. Let's say that they prohibit it (some establishments do), without proper security screening, it would be easy to sneak anything in if you want to. The cost to implement this type of security seems too high (hardware + employees). The public may also reject that, the TSA is quite infamous in the US. Have you been in any country that has this type of security in thei…

> Have you been in any country that has this type of security in their hotels?

Yes. It's common in India, though TBH the staff don't always seem to be paying that much attention.

This is really all about priorities. If putting an end to this endless blood tide were a priority, we absolutely could take measures that would help. We could even do so without violating essential rights. There's a reasonable debate to be had about what measures we can or should tolerate, but screaming "it's infeasible!" denies such debate. It assumes one conclusion, and doesn't even allow consideration of another.

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Post by mcphage »

reitanqild wrote: post #27
mcphage wrote: post #15

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No, the real problem is mass shootings. Evil may be a people problem, but mass shootings are an American problem.

Here's my attempt at a rational explanation. Feel free to point out flaws. > No, the real problem is mass shootings. I think we should talk about mass killings not mass shootings. Yes US has had a lot of mass shootings but it seems you have avoided the concentration camps and the Srebrenica etc that Europe has experienced during the last hundred years. When people don’t have guns it is much easier to round them up an…

> I think we should talk about mass killings not mass shootings.

I'd rather talk about mass shootings—which is a problem that America currently has—instead of mass killings, which is not.

Re: Las Vegas Shooting Kills More Than 50

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Post by reitanqild »

mcphage wrote: post #35
reitanqild wrote: post #27

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Here's my attempt at a rational explanation. Feel free to point out flaws. > No, the real problem is mass shootings. I think we should talk about mass killings not mass shootings. Yes US has had a lot of mass shootings but it seems you have avoided the concentration camps and the Srebrenica etc that Europe has experienced during the last hundred years. When people don’t have guns it is much easier to round them up an…

> I think we should talk about mass killings not mass shootings. I'd rather talk about mass shootings—which is a problem that America currently has—instead of mass killings, which is not.

My point is that maybe we shouldn't see this in isolation.

Paying insurance is stupid - until your house burns down.

Guns for every law abiding citizen that wants one (and paying a few lives every year) is stupid until your uncles, brothers and sons are marched out in the woods and shot.

This happened less than 30 years ago way to close to me.

What I wish NRA would do though is fighting for stricter rules for gun storage, teaching risk assessment (do you really need your loaded handgun to be available for your kids?) etc.

Re: Las Vegas Shooting Kills More Than 50

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Post by nicklaf »

Tomte wrote: post #8

America wants it like that. Accept it and move on. shrug

Without trivializing the grief surrounding the victims here, it really is as simple as that.

Tragic, but apparently as American as apple pie. And honestly, that's the bigger (moral) tragedy here, which is depressing enough that I don't even want to think about it.

Re: Las Vegas Shooting Kills More Than 50

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Post by reitanqild »

notacoward wrote: post #34
daleco wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I travelled a bit, I'm French living in the US. Let's say that they prohibit it (some establishments do), without proper security screening, it would be easy to sneak anything in if you want to. The cost to implement this type of security seems too high (hardware + employees). The public may also reject that, the TSA is quite infamous in the US. Have you been in any country that has this type of security in thei…

> Have you been in any country that has this type of security in their hotels? Yes. It's common in India, though TBH the staff don't always seem to be paying that much attention. This is really all about priorities. If putting an end to this endless blood tide were a priority, we absolutely could take measures that would help. We could even do so without violating essential rights. There's a reasonable debate to be h…

If any of you want to stop a blood tide start with the cars.

Or maybe join the NRA as a safety instructor. Argue for gun safes and mandatory training for young gun owners.

That way you can actually reduce suffering since there is a possibility that someone will listen instead of write you off as a gungrabber.

That way you can save even more lives.

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