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Re: iMac Pro

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Post by mceachen »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #96
pattle wrote: post #78

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This also means that iMac and Macbooks depreciate quite heavily in price after the warranty expires. I'm thinking of selling my Macbook Pro while I can get a decent price for it as I've now had it around 3 years. I'm better of investing that money in new parts for my PC.

MacBooks are known to have the best resell prices in the industry. iMacs, at least the 5k, is user serviceable for RAM upgrades.

I don't consider these steps and the required tools approachable by most iMac users: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac+Intel+21.5-Inch+Retina+...

Re: iMac Pro

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Post by fhood »

walshemj wrote: post #110
fhood wrote: post #99

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What do you have against finder?

its hard to work with and it hasn't changed in essence from the pre OSX Mac Operating systems

I mean specifically. Is it a UI thing or something more technical?

Re: iMac Pro

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

trosi wrote: post #104
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #87

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I'm a programmer and so buy middle of the line macbook pros with mid range CPUs, mid range RAM, and integrated GPUS. Ironically, my wife, a designer, always chastises me for getting such slow hardware: turns out what works for a programmer doesn't work for soemone who has to use a lot of Adobe CSS :). I assume this iMac pro would be for her, not for me.

Is a fully specceed Macbook Pro / iMac really not enough for her? This thing looks way too overpowered

She always wants more power. I tried to get her to divide her giant Illustrator files into smaller ones, but I haven't been successful so far. But ya, we aren't getting this, too expensive :).

Re: iMac Pro

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Post by j2bax »

alkonaut wrote: post #56

Impressive engineering to get that kilowatt-level power envelope into what looks literally like an envelope. Then the next question: is the target audience really there? The people who need 18 cores + a pro graphics card are the people who used to have mac pros (or still use them). These people care about expandable and replacable things, and most of all they want to use a screen with several computers because these…

>These people care about expandable and replacable things

Apple likely has data that says there are enough people that don't care about these things to justify their production of this computer. I work in an office full of designers, illustrators, animators and developers and there are very few of them that have much of a passion for messing around with the hardware and would far prefer to just upgrade every few years (we also don't really have much of an IT infrastructure). We buy Mac's and replace them when they are no longer working optimally for our team. That said, we've had some iMacs last 4-6 years with no complaints from their operators. I will caveat that and say that I did go through and replace all the HDD with SSD's on the oldest round of iMac's before you could get the Fusion or SSD upon order for a reasonable price.

Re: iMac Pro

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

mceachen wrote: post #111
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MacBooks are known to have the best resell prices in the industry. iMacs, at least the 5k, is user serviceable for RAM upgrades.

I don't consider these steps and the required tools approachable by most iMac users: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac+Intel+21.5-Inch+Retina+...

The 27" has a door: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201191

The 21.5" is only 4K, I probably should have been more explicit about that.

Re: iMac Pro

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Post by morley »

bkdbkd wrote: post #103

Amateur extreme. Pro's need a machine that can evolve over time. More memory, larger storage as it becomes available, God forbid - a faster cpu. Remember the PC platform is inherently upgradeable. The LGA2066 chipset can be used with 8+ different CPU's. Pro's invest in proper tools to support their work, not in souped up toys. Without offense meant to my Honda bretheren, this in the same line as the $100,000 Civic mo…

> Pro's need a machine that can evolve over time.

Is this really true though for Apple's target market? I'm guessing that if I'm an artist for Pixar and I need a new "professional" machine, the company is 9 times out of 10 going to buy me a new computer rather than buying me a video card upgrade. I'd imagine most large corporations would do something like that since it's more scalable than upgrading individual parts piecemeal.

Buying one "pro" machine and upgrading it over a number of years seems like more of what I'd call an "enthusiast" strategy. I think it's reasonable that Apple is betting that Mac "enthusiasts" would be willing to upgrade their machine wholesale after a number of years (maybe recouping value by reselling their old machine) rather than extensively researching new video cards and buying one off Newegg.

Maybe they're wrong and people aren't willing to do that, but it's their prerogative to place that bet.

Re: iMac Pro

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Post by evilduck »

bkdbkd wrote: post #103

Amateur extreme. Pro's need a machine that can evolve over time. More memory, larger storage as it becomes available, God forbid - a faster cpu. Remember the PC platform is inherently upgradeable. The LGA2066 chipset can be used with 8+ different CPU's. Pro's invest in proper tools to support their work, not in souped up toys. Without offense meant to my Honda bretheren, this in the same line as the $100,000 Civic mo…

I hear this sentiment all the time that "pro users need the ability to upgrade" but not once in a decade of my professional programming career have I _ever_ seen a computer at a workplace upgraded. They get purchased, they get repaired, they get retired or they trickle down to "lesser users", but I've never seen anyone get additional RAM or a drop in CPU replacement on an employer-owned machine. If you needed a better computer all I've ever seen is a new computer purchased.

Re: iMac Pro

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Post by stefco_ »

aykutcan wrote: post #60
stefco_ wrote: post #49

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My friend in film production tells me that his shop does a ton of editing on iMacs despite the premium on hardware. He is an enthusiast and has built his own editing PC, but he tells me the iMacs are rock-solid and never give them any trouble, despite the specs being worse on paper than some other editing machines. I think that the consistency, quality, and software integration are worth a lot to businesses, especial…

so Editing PC gave him trouble ? Why i am the only one around using PC with zero problems and much much better than any apple product?

A little. I think it's been mostly fine. But my point is that he has spent a bunch of time building and optimizing a PC that he would not have had to invest into a pre-built, pre-configured machine. He does it because he finds it fun. His company doesn't want to spend time with that stuff, and they seem to be very happy with the consistency they are getting out of their Macs.
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