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HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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Post by thinkloop »

geezerjay wrote: post #143
laktek wrote: post #114

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Isn't this the reason why they introduced Filecoin? To incentivize consumers to share their resources.

> Isn't this the reason why they introduced Filecoin? That assumes that all users are morons. If they want to pay anything to use else's hardware and energy then they only need to pick up their wallet and offer real cash. Offering another Dogecoin competitor to convince people to give away their energy bill and hardware is just a fancy way to officially assert that the people who fall for these gimmicks are complete…

The "arcade tokens" can be reliably traded for cash since other people need them to access real resources.

Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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Post by thinkloop »

Spivak wrote: post #186
kylemuir wrote: post #182

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> A furlong is the distance one can sprint before running out of breath That doesn't seem very logical at all, that's entirely subjective. I'm fairly certain a top sprinter would easily be able to sprint much further than my (admittedly) unfit self before running out of breath.

One, furlong actually comes from "furrow length" which how long an ox could plow before tiring. The point isn't that the measurement is precise, the point is that it's useful. The unit has an intuitive and tangible meaning in the real world that let's people ballpark. This doesn't mean we should start doing precision work in furlongs but demanding that everyone switch away from measures that are still useful is silly…

If there is one thing that people know deep in their guts today, its how long an ox could plow before tiring.

Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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Post by OJFord »

empath75 wrote: post #150
myhf wrote: post #140

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Why would you need to upgrade a hard disk or memory?

Have you ever worked in a datacenter.

How many datacentres does the average "small local business" have?

For the price of hardware we're talking about, it'd just get replaced.

Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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Post by ycombinete »

blurbleblurble wrote: post #74

I need to comment because people are missing the point... there's nothing in this text that says the web won't need servers. Imagine that you and some friends want to launch a small local business and need to host a website. Instead of paying to host it "up in the cloud", why not plug a few raspberry pi's into the walls at each of your houses? Between that and also seeding it from your laptops, the site should have d…

Hey, is there a reason that you use both Resilio and Syncthing, instead of just the one?

Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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Post by TeMPOraL »

ivanhoe wrote: post #138
blurbleblurble wrote: post #102

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I don't literally mean a Raspberry Pi. Raspberry Pi is the Apple 2 of what I'm imagining. I'm talking about some next generation stuff, picture a Firestick with a much more refined iteration of sandstorm, with distributed apps that have hardly even been conceived of right today in 2017. If my roommate can plug a Roku into the TV, and knows how to use Ableton Live and Squarespace, there's absolutely no reason he could…

But you still have all maintenance related problems? How do you upgrade a hard disk or memory, go to their home? What happens if their home net is down or slow, no one can visit the site? Back in the days I was running a few web servers from my office directly, and it's a lot of extra work that is just not worth it.

Who cares?

The Internet is breaking all the time anyway. Every day at least one of the bigger / more important sites I visit has a temporary problem with something. Three days a week HN keeps returning CloudFlare errors to me. Even Facebook has some issues that break it every other week. The world isn't ending because of this, and it isn't going to end because the site I co-host with my other friend is down for the night.

As you grow to the point where close-to-perfect reliability matters, you'll be able to afford to get someone do handle the hosting for you, just like you do today.

Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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Post by vurpo »

jwfxpr wrote: post #60
IncRnd wrote: post #35

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That's how these things always work, by saying "it will work one day." If it would work, and the cost benefit ratio were there, people would adopt it quickly. That's what happens with just about everything else.

> If it would work, and the cost benefit ratio were there, people would adopt it quickly. That's what happens with just about everything else. Great point! Just like: * Betamax * HD DVD * Minidisc * Hoverboards * IPV6 * DNSSEC * PGP & PKI * Linux desktops * Dvorak keyboards * The metric system * Decimal time * [flavour-of-the-month programming language] * [flavour-of-the-month database] * [flavour-of-the-month cypher…

You're implying that the metric system and IPv6 aren't being used in great numbers today, which is false.

Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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Post by vog »

Spivak wrote: post #186
kylemuir wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A furlong is the distance one can sprint before running out of breath That doesn't seem very logical at all, that's entirely subjective. I'm fairly certain a top sprinter would easily be able to sprint much further than my (admittedly) unfit self before running out of breath.

One, furlong actually comes from "furrow length" which how long an ox could plow before tiring. The point isn't that the measurement is precise, the point is that it's useful. The unit has an intuitive and tangible meaning in the real world that let's people ballpark. This doesn't mean we should start doing precision work in furlongs but demanding that everyone switch away from measures that are still useful is silly…

> who cares that you have a funny name for 201.168m

You do care if you frequently have to convert between all those funny units.

Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Spivak wrote: post #186
kylemuir wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A furlong is the distance one can sprint before running out of breath That doesn't seem very logical at all, that's entirely subjective. I'm fairly certain a top sprinter would easily be able to sprint much further than my (admittedly) unfit self before running out of breath.

One, furlong actually comes from "furrow length" which how long an ox could plow before tiring. The point isn't that the measurement is precise, the point is that it's useful. The unit has an intuitive and tangible meaning in the real world that let's people ballpark. This doesn't mean we should start doing precision work in furlongs but demanding that everyone switch away from measures that are still useful is silly…

I think the best situation is when you use sensible units for general situations, and when the funny units remain domain-specific.

Another example of a funny name is two-by-four, which - for some typically American reason - is understood not to actually be two inches by four inches...

Re: HTTP is obsolete. It's time for the Distributed Web (2015)

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Post by TeMPOraL »

vurpo wrote: post #207
jwfxpr wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it would work, and the cost benefit ratio were there, people would adopt it quickly. That's what happens with just about everything else. Great point! Just like: * Betamax * HD DVD * Minidisc * Hoverboards * IPV6 * DNSSEC * PGP & PKI * Linux desktops * Dvorak keyboards * The metric system * Decimal time * [flavour-of-the-month programming language] * [flavour-of-the-month database] * [flavour-of-the-month cypher…

You're implying that the metric system and IPv6 aren't being used in great numbers today, which is false.

I guess metric system is there to drive the point home to the Americans in the audience, and IPv6 as an example of something used but not enough to matter.

(Here's my new conspiracy theory: lack of adoption of IPv6 is caused by SaaS companies colluding to keep people and companies from being able to trivially self-host stuff.)

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