Catalan leader opens door to secession from Spain after vote
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#2Ok Hacker News, get ready for Spanish hatred, lies and disinformation on this thread comments.
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#3From my narrow viewpoint provided by a few news outlets, it seems to me that Spain is handling this wrong at every turn.
Good grief, declare the vote invalid/ineffective or whatever, but let them vote. Censoring the web, apps, arresting political dissenters, blockading polling places, violent altercations with riot police.
All because people want to vote.
Spain is proving themselves to be a country worthy of seceding from.
Re: Catalan leader opens door to secession from Spain after vote
#4From my narrow viewpoint provided by a few news outlets, it seems to me that Spain is handling this wrong at every turn. Good grief, declare the vote invalid/ineffective or whatever, but let them vote. Censoring the web, apps, arresting political dissenters, blockading polling places, violent altercations with riot police. All because people want to vote. Spain is proving themselves to be a country worthy of seceding…
Media coverage has been ... interesting as well. If this was somewhere in Russia or China, I'm pretty sure I would see a lot stronger reactions from the NYT and WaPo crowd.
Re: Catalan leader opens door to secession from Spain after vote
#5> "After vote"
The unsupervised and illegal vote where people has voted 2, 4, and even 17 times confirmed with graphical documents from the press.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLEw3K9XoAEvI1v.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLED6-eXcAc7oL_.jpg
Very democratic! Let's remember that the EU and UK via their foreign office has said that the referendum is NOT VALID and stands with the spanish gov.
I agree that the police has acted in a shameful way and with disproportion, but the world is not getting the whole picture and we the spaniards will suffer the consequences (hopefully not another civil war). Disgusting politics from both sides!
Re: Catalan leader opens door to secession from Spain after vote
#6From my narrow viewpoint provided by a few news outlets, it seems to me that Spain is handling this wrong at every turn. Good grief, declare the vote invalid/ineffective or whatever, but let them vote. Censoring the web, apps, arresting political dissenters, blockading polling places, violent altercations with riot police. All because people want to vote. Spain is proving themselves to be a country worthy of seceding…
> All because people want to vote.
No, they voted the very same referendum, but non-binding, in 2014 without problems. But this time they wanted to make it binding despite warnings from the gov that it's illegal as per the Spanish constitution.
Re: Catalan leader opens door to secession from Spain after vote
#7Hmm... The question of taxation. Independence Day. Sound familiar?
Re: Catalan leader opens door to secession from Spain after vote
#8From my narrow viewpoint provided by a few news outlets, it seems to me that Spain is handling this wrong at every turn. Good grief, declare the vote invalid/ineffective or whatever, but let them vote. Censoring the web, apps, arresting political dissenters, blockading polling places, violent altercations with riot police. All because people want to vote. Spain is proving themselves to be a country worthy of seceding…
> All because people want to vote. No, they voted the very same referendum, but non-binding, in 2014 without problems. But this time they wanted to make it binding despite warnings from the gov that it's illegal as per the Spanish constitution.
If it's illegal per Spanish constitution, they can't make it binding. That's like I hold a vote in my house that I won't pay taxes anymore. Not paying taxes is illegal, so the vote result is of no legal consequence, but if police would show up and beat me up for having the vote, that would still be a gross violation of my rights. I think Spanish government shot itself in the foot massively here.