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There are reports of people voting from two to 4 different schools. Wondering what methods authorities used to ensure there was no fraud on these referendum.
I suspect that will be one argument used by the Spanish authorities as to why the referendum was invalid.
Scottish referendum: allowed, failed Kurdish referendum: suppressed, succeeded Catalan referendum: suppressed, succeeded It's a little too early to call it a pattern, but it has the appearance of one.
Catalonia becomes a nation state and then what? Are they now an island in the EU? Easy trade with all other regions in Spain now has to go through taxes and trade agreements? How much is debt increasing?
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/21/heres-how-bad-economically-a...
I thought this analysis article was really thought-provoking and now I have uncertain and mixed feelings about the referendum: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/29/world/europe/independence... . Basically, when it comes to things like this there's a conflict between two international ideals: integrity of national borders and human rights . And there are some thought provoking ideas in the article. If you think about it…
In a divorce, you don't require that all parties agree that divorcing is the right decision. If a single party wants to dissolve the relationship, that is sufficient. There's more nuance when we're talking about entire states, but I believe the same principle should apply. This particular vote was irregular enough to not really be legitimate, but the Spanish government should recognize that some sort of Catalan refer…
Scottish referendum: allowed, failed Kurdish referendum: suppressed, succeeded Catalan referendum: suppressed, succeeded It's a little too early to call it a pattern, but it has the appearance of one.
As much as I'd like to see Catalonians have a voice in this, given that the referendum is was ruled illegal it seems unlikely that the "no" vote would come out in droves. One crime in protest of another?
I understand the freedom argument but it's probably coming at a very high price for little practical gain. It seems a form of Brexit, based largely on emotions without a clear path forward. Catalonia becomes a nation state and then what? Are they now an island in the EU? Easy trade with all other regions in Spain now has to go through taxes and trade agreements? How much is debt increasing? https://www.cnbc.com/2017/…
https://thinkprogress.org/assange-catalonia-independence-0a8...
http://www.smh.com.au/world/on-catalan-independence-julian-a...
Seems to be modest pattern emerging.
Scottish referendum: allowed, failed Kurdish referendum: suppressed, succeeded Catalan referendum: suppressed, succeeded It's a little too early to call it a pattern, but it has the appearance of one.
I thought this analysis article was really thought-provoking and now I have uncertain and mixed feelings about the referendum: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/29/world/europe/independence... . Basically, when it comes to things like this there's a conflict between two international ideals: integrity of national borders and human rights . And there are some thought provoking ideas in the article. If you think about it…
I don't think it's appropriate to ask the citizens of the rest of the country if they support the secession. To create a simple analogy lets say you have a group of five people. One is a captive and four are the captors. Is it appropriate to have a referendum with all five people to vote on if the captive is allow to go free? No the four captors are always going to vote no. The captive has to escape without the suppo…
When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final.
Similarly, Catalonians and the rest of Spaniards approved their Constitution in 1978, which states that matters like this shall be voted in national referendum, once approved by congress.