Indirectly, the Spanish reacting with brute force will just help the Catalans -- as they're proving their point.
Catalan referendum: 'Hundreds injured' in Catalan clashes
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#12Example of the crackdown on voters. They seem completely nonviolent to me, even in the face of a disproportionate response. https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/914427797753430017 https://twitter.com/ZabMustefa/status/914406611375894528
The woman was not injured by police: she had an accident with the stairs going to vote. There are videos with the attack to the police. At the end, there are violent people with the pacifist voters and not professional policemen too. EDIT: Evidence asked, here it is https://youtu.be/wmLTRluQm94 EDIT 2: I was asked for source about the women and people manipulating pictures. Two sources here: https://twitter.com/arb14…
Damn. That is an insane amount of people to have smashed their heads open after falling down stairs!
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#13Someone made a point recently that the past 50 years really have been a golden age of democracy (possibly the only 50 in history) That during the 19C there was much more semi-democracy with strong authoritarian governments in Europe, cracking down on what we would call democracy (1816,1848 etc) The point was that it is fairly easy to slip back.
Fairism is not something you build a stable society with. The individual (usually wealthy) vs majority was the canary.
Eh?
Re: Catalan referendum: 'Hundreds injured' in Catalan clashes
#14As a Spanish (not from Catalonia), I'm totally ashamed about what my government is doing to address a political issue.
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#15This is basically what we are used to seeing from the middle-east, and from before I was born: South Africa. I don't remember the boycot, but I do remember my parents of talking about it.
What, if anything, can we do similarly to apply pressure to Spain? What exports are they depended on? What start-ups are Spanish?
Edit: Downvoted for being against beating up people who are trying to vote? Really HN?
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
The woman was not injured by police: she had an accident with the stairs going to vote. There are videos with the attack to the police. At the end, there are violent people with the pacifist voters and not professional policemen too. EDIT: Evidence asked, here it is https://youtu.be/wmLTRluQm94 EDIT 2: I was asked for source about the women and people manipulating pictures. Two sources here: https://twitter.com/arb14…
I've seen no evidence of violent people attacking police. Edit: well that is evidence - not a huge surprise that things have now escalated when you have an armed force shutting down an election.
I am uploading it so you can see it. (Nice downvote before letting me prove my words :) )
Re: Catalan referendum: 'Hundreds injured' in Catalan clashes
#17Someone made a point recently that the past 50 years really have been a golden age of democracy (possibly the only 50 in history) That during the 19C there was much more semi-democracy with strong authoritarian governments in Europe, cracking down on what we would call democracy (1816,1848 etc) The point was that it is fairly easy to slip back.
I feel sorry for the injured in this Catalan referendum, but in my opinion this referendum has nothing to do with democracy. First of all a country's constitution is sacrosanct and that constitution not only gives the people their power to vote, but also says that the country's territory is indivisible . If the Catalan people want to change that, then the referendum should involve all of Spain's citizens, having as m…
Is this opposition to secession retroactive?
Re: Catalan referendum: 'Hundreds injured' in Catalan clashes
#18Example of the crackdown on voters. They seem completely nonviolent to me, even in the face of a disproportionate response. https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/914427797753430017 https://twitter.com/ZabMustefa/status/914406611375894528
The woman was not injured by police: she had an accident with the stairs going to vote. There are videos with the attack to the police. At the end, there are violent people with the pacifist voters and not professional policemen too. EDIT: Evidence asked, here it is https://youtu.be/wmLTRluQm94 EDIT 2: I was asked for source about the women and people manipulating pictures. Two sources here: https://twitter.com/arb14…
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
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#19I don't get the point of the violence used to stop the ref. The ref is illegal. The hypothetical declaration of independence is illegal, invalid and likely never accepted by anyone (not in Europe not in the world) why the use of violence to stop the ref game?
This whole situation is senseless from both sides but it is obvious who is the side willing to use violence.
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#20If this were happening in russia, the EU leaders would have loudly condemned the human rights violations. The silence from them now is shameful.
Belgian prime minister and various major Belgian political figures (some being separatist, some not) have already condemned the use of violence. See https://twitter.com/CharlesMichel/status/914455311553040384
Edit: to be fair, the twitter accounts of Macron, Merkel, lepen and others are silent.