How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block • Hacker News Board

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by StavrosK » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 6:33 PM UTC

kwhitefoot wrote: post #484

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Download and run the IPFS daemon for your OS (from ipfs.io) and access the banned websites/files locally . That will make you serve them to other people. There's a set of them on the pinning service I run ( https://www.eternum.io/ipns/QmZxWEBJBVkGDGaKdYPQUXX4KC5TCWbv... ), so they're in no danger of disappearing, but you'd help in case Spain banned the eternum.io node.

> access the banned websites/files locally What exactly does this mean? Do you mean by accessing this address: https://ipfs.io/ipns/QmZxWEBJBVkGDGaKdYPQUXX4KC5TCWbvuR4iYZr...

No, http://localhost:8000/ipns/QmZxWEBJBVkGDGaKdYPQUXX4KC5TCWbvu..., or whatever your gateway port is.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by gpvos » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 6:41 PM UTC

ibci wrote: post #476

gpvos wrote: post #377

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Actually, only slightly less than 50% wants independence. They are very vocal though. Also, since education in Catalonia is entirely in Catalonian (also they have their own history books), and use of Spanish in public is heavily discouraged, children will grow up in a mostly Catalonian environment, which makes it likely that that percentage will grow over time.

What the... You've never been in Catalonia, am I right? 1. It's false that the education in Catalonia is entirely in catalan. I've had tons of classes in spanish. 2. It's false that the use of spanish in public is discouraged. If you go to Barcelona I'd say that you're going to hear 50/50 spanish and catalan in public. 3. It's not clear if the percentage of people who defend an independent country are above or below…

I was not really expressing an opinion, but providing a counterpoint to the parent comment, which was really not based on enough data. I could have been a bit more detailed, sorry about that, and I wholly agree with your #3.

I've been to Barcelona for a few days around five years ago, keeping mostly to the touristic areas. Had to skip it last year on an Interrail trip due to lack of time, sadly.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by gotbeans » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 9:22 PM UTC

trosop wrote: post #428

elecbit wrote: post #117

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A Catalan here. Quite a bad description, I think. We should remember that Catalonia had its own language forbidden to even speak in the street for 40 years during Franco's dictatorship. Language and culture was kept alive thanks of people keeping it in secrecy. When "democracy" returned, some of the competences they had before the war were returned to the government. After 6 years of demonstrations of 2-3 million (ou…

Another Catalan here, a Catalan that has lived in Italy and France. In the dictatorship Catalan was forbidden, but now Catalan in Catalonia is the only language used in schools (the teachers are told to only speak in that language even to the parents, search for "immersió lingüística"), the official buildings, hospital papers, and so on. Is this what you would call repression or not-democracy? Now, in Spain other lan…

Catalan is a lenguage... because it is. Don' play demagogy around that

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by gotbeans » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 9:22 PM UTC

gotbeans wrote: post #493

trosop wrote: post #428

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Another Catalan here, a Catalan that has lived in Italy and France. In the dictatorship Catalan was forbidden, but now Catalan in Catalonia is the only language used in schools (the teachers are told to only speak in that language even to the parents, search for "immersió lingüística"), the official buildings, hospital papers, and so on. Is this what you would call repression or not-democracy? Now, in Spain other lan…

Catalan is a lenguage... because it is. Don' play demagogy around that

*[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by gotbeans » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 9:28 PM UTC

neoscott wrote: post #395

gotbeans wrote: post #234

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Catalan here. There are historic and cultural reasons to split also. The economic rationale behind your post is absolutely correct. However we don't want to split because we don't want to share; we want to split because of the missuse and economic opression and the unending corruption that plagues Spain. We don't think ourselves of so-prosperous at all in that sense - and at the same time I'll admit corruption is alw…

And Pujol(ex president of Catalonia with money in Andorra, and some of his son in jail) cases? The 3% percent... From Huelva to Girona all sucks and the corruption is everywhere. Pujol one day said: "if I talk everything is going to be destroyed" because everyone knows that the other stole money but nobody talk

Not sure why constantly saying "u more!" is an argument at all to deny population voting. Childish if you ask me.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by gotbeans » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 9:28 PM UTC

iagovar wrote: post #452

nsnick wrote: post #436

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So why does Spain deserve Catalonia's money any more than any other country? Why shouldn't France get it or a poor African country?

Because Catalonia was granted monopolies and a lot of economical favours by law in the last centuries, eve when it was detrimental for other regions, like it was with the textile industry, car manufacturing and so on.

Sources please.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by qiv » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 9:39 PM UTC

kilburn wrote: post #327

stavros wrote: post #261

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> Catalans also have a different language, a strong sense of being a nation (their "local consitution" says so!), etc.. And none of those things is being repressed, I have to add. As a Catalan friend pointed out, they speak and teach Catalan in schools, have complete freedom to vote on issues of their region, etc. I have to agree with the GP that it's mostly the economy doing a bit better than the other regions, whic…

Yes they are. The pro-independence movement didn't really take off until the Spanish Constitutional Court thwarted 17 articles and redacted 27 more from the latest "Catalan constitution" (Estatut). A "constitution" which had been approved by the Catalan Parliament, the Spanish Parliament and the Catalan citizens themselves in a referendum (in that order). Likewise, the latest Spanish education law (LOMCE) includes an…

No, the independence movement took off when the right-wing CiU feared loosing elections. And then it kept growing because it was very convenient to the conservatives in the rest of Spain, equally troubled by corruption :-)

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by gotbeans » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 9:40 PM UTC

mbroncano wrote: post #480

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What do you mean by discouraged? I'm from the US and my wife is from Barcelona. Her family all speaks Catalan between each other but they are perfectly happy speaking Spanish with me (as are all of their family's friends and associates). Between my wife and her friends, they speak probably a 50/50 mix of Catalan/Spanish. I have never heard or seen anyone in all of Catalunya be discouraging or negative in relation to…

I can think of a few examples myself, such as fines for business daring to exposing public banners in Spanish [1] or the impossibility to study with Spanish as a vehicular language [2]. [1] https://www.google.com/amp/www.lavanguardia.com/politica/201... [2] https://www.google.com/amp/www.elconfidencialautonomico.com/...

Spanish is studied alongside with catalan. Out of 10 tv channels, 9 are in spanish. School is mostly taught in Catalan, so what? It's not a commodity, but you are abogating extinguishing a language for commodity?

However I just see for the first time your [1], and as a totally pro-independentist person that I am, I totally condemnd that. Thats blatant catalan fuckup, that is unacceptable and that is not what my independentist rationale claim for.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by gotbeans » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 9:43 PM UTC

fasouto wrote: post #467

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There are 16 billion per year going from Catalonia to Spain without return. But not only that, the centralisation of government powers and agencies have created a problem where many big companies have to be in Madrid even if most their operations are in other parts of the country. That makes their taxes to be paid in Madrid instead of e.g. Valencia, Bilbao or Barcelona. The amount of taxes lost because of this is HUG…

Just curious, do you have a reliable source for the 16 billion per year?

Pf I know it's media based (so yeah... take the "reliable" part of it with a grain of salt... or handful maybe)

http://www.expansion.com/economia/2017/09/29/59cd50b8ca47412...

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by lllllll » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 9:52 PM UTC

nunobrito wrote: post #483

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Other regions were oppressed AND kept down economically. There was even innovators, like Barreiros, a galician-born car and truck manufacturing brand that was cut off from growing more because of SEAT, that had quite a big impact in Catalonia, in terms of capital flows, jobs etc.

This is true. Galicia has been continuously kept down since centuries so that Madrid could take the spotlight. Part of my family is Galician, I'm Portuguese myself. Still, instead of breaking Spain apart I would actually prefer to see the whole of Iberia working together as a union. The main problem seems to be where the capital would be placed since only Castilians would want Madrid. I only wish that we could agree…

I still think an Iberian federation is possible in the future. The main impediment IMHO is that the Castillian/Spanish political leaders - and hence probably their voters - never understood the multi-national nature of this gorgeous peninsula. Mediterranean greetings my fellow Iberian :)