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Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by rifung »

wruza wrote: post #136
indubitable wrote: post #19

The implication of this article is that agencies would be obligated to use what the article calls "more obtainable" bodies. Is this actually the case? I think it's vastly more likely that this will do little more than sharply increase the demand for people that actually have the bodies that other individuals were being photoshopped to have. It'd be like if a country banned all voice processing software when singing (…

>It'd be like if a country banned all voice processing software when singing (which has become ubiquitous today). I actually don't get it and don't give and fcuk if voice was tuned or real. I like [subjectively] good music, and find bans on some techniques of sound production as weirdo club decisions. Let's ban electric guitars, synthesizers and much more just because one can't play the same tunes on a violin. Of cou…

I don't think there was any implication that the example is what should be done but rather it was just meant for illustrative purposes.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by abiox »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #126

I don't understand, this seems like someone never bothered to learn about anchoring. Is there research that I've missed which shows anchoring doesn't apply in body-image situations?

how do you feel 'anchoring' applies in 'body-image situations'?

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by oh_sigh »

Mz wrote: post #109
oh_sigh wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In one sentence, you are casually dismissing conclusions about my own life that have taken me decades to arrive at. Aren't you also casually dismissing other peoples lived experience by assuming you know what their motivations are?

Taking decades to draw certain conclusions about my own life is not something I would describe as casual.

How many decades of life do the people have under their belt that you're judging?

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by billmalarky »

Xoros wrote: post #15

> It's no secret that images of models are often retouched Well it's not a secret, but it's not obvious for most teenagers. And may be not either for people without high degrees education. A lot of people, and I suppose not only in France, are not at peace with their body shape, even if they're not obese nor anorexic. Been exposed to not really existing bodies images can be painful for self esteem. Of course, compute…

It doesn't matter if it's a secret or not. Constant exposure to lies can change perception even in highly rational people. Critical thinking takes effort and nobody has time or energy to digest every bit of information that hits their brain. Slowly but surely people begin to subconsciously accept the lies.

This is why propaganda is so effective. It doesn't have to even be convincing to be successful so long as it is pervasive.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by a3_nm »

indubitable wrote: post #19

The implication of this article is that agencies would be obligated to use what the article calls "more obtainable" bodies. Is this actually the case? I think it's vastly more likely that this will do little more than sharply increase the demand for people that actually have the bodies that other individuals were being photoshopped to have. It'd be like if a country banned all voice processing software when singing (…

I do not think that agencies will stop retouching photos. I suspect that they will just indicate "Photographie retouchée" on each picture and that's it.

Indeed, while the article talks about a "cigarette-packet style warning", I don't think there is any requirement for the warning to be especially prominent. Here is the relevant decree (in French): https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do;jsessionid=150.... The relevant part is Art. R. 2133-5. It just says that the warning should be "easily readable". I think in practice it will just end up as part of the small print that you already find on many ads.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by 21 »

craftyguy wrote: post #43
thatfrenchguy wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a French person: stop subsidizing corn, start subsidizing vegetables, stop eating take-out. If you look at a middle-class supermarket in France and in the US you understand why your poor are obese pretty quickly.

Not just France, but most European countries.. every time I travel in Europe there's always this initial realization that I'm no longer surrounded by obese people. None of the places I've been to over there encourage the same eating habits that you find prevalent in the US.

Besides different eating habits, one of the reasons is that there is a huge stigma of being obese in most of Europe. The fact that it is relatively rare makes any such person stand out even more, and makes it harder to justify (since your peers somehow manage to keep their weight in check)

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by zdkl »

briholt wrote: post #143
zdkl wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're comparing advertisement to skill based jobs...

TIL being a 6'5" athletic model is not a skill, being a 6'5" athlete is a skill.

Athlete, yes. 6'5, no. Come on man, do you hear what you're saying?

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by notadoc »

How absurd. Virtually every single photo of every male or female that is printed is photoshopped. A lot of people photoshop their pictures before posting to Facebook even. Should that all be declared too? What about those filters on social media apps that make peoples eyes bigger and clear the complexion?

And why the emphasis only on pictures of women when pictures of men have just as much photoshopping? Seems a bit sexist.

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