What's crazy is any folding knife that can be opened with the flick of the wrist is considered a gravity knife. I don't understand how all manner of firearms are legal, but even the most simple knifes are illegal.
> I don't understand how all manner of firearms are legal, but even the most simple knifes are illegal. All manner of firearms are explicitly illegal in New York City, unless you have a difficult-to-get exemption.
How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail
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Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail
#112This is a single symptom of a larger issue, namely an excess of laws to the point that any law can be arbitrarily used to prosecute you if you are of an unwanted class, race, etc. Add on top the police quota system and you have a recipe of this type of injustice that runs the gamut, from antiquidated knife laws to the drug war. To me, this is largely a result of lawyers fucking ruining everything they touch, and then…
This is why the 2nd Amendment is an important right to uphold. If one cannot protect oneself against criminal elements, one is vulnerable to be harmed, intimidated, & suppressed. Outlawing certain types of guns & knives also exposes the population to selective enforcement, civil asset forfeiture, & other means to tyranny. Of course, there are practical limits, like it probably wouldn't behoove us to ensure that every…
That really isn't the first order way one protects themselves from criminal elements. Even if you are Jason Bourne, living in a mad max wasteland you will not live long. Whereas millions of people with zero self defense skills can go through their whole lives never having to defend themselves at all in civilized societies.
It isn't even clear if keeping powerful weapons around in a civilized place is a net win on safety. Yes there is some chance you may successfully defend yourself from criminals, but that is very low, maybe lower than the chance of having an accident or some other negative results of owning the weapon.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Flash hider? Banned.. Muzzle Break? ok" In all fairness, muzzle breaks have practical civilian use as a way to reduce recoil for target shooting, while flash hiders just make it difficult for authorities to spot the location of a shooter. Muzzle breaks actually increase the noise level of a firearm, making more detectable than a stock barrel.
Might want to ask yourself where you learned that, then discount that source as a valid source of information in the future.
Which of course is not what a flash suppressor does at all.
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#114Cops get a bad rap, but the DAs haven’t come under fire. They knowingly ruin many many more innocent lives than cops. And unlike cops who may shoot in a poor split second decision, DAs knowingly and willingly destroy the lives of the innocent for their own personal gain. It’s time we put blame where it is due.
I don't know what the culture is in prosecutors' offices but it seems they have lost touch with common sense and the real purpose of their work.
Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail
#115Here are some pertinent -- essential -- details, from mid-way through the article. First, I guess I should add that the article talks earlier about the problem of knives being perhaps deliberately mis-classified as gravity knives (without actually defining this).
Gravity-knife arrests may be popular for another reason. Most, like Neal’s, result from simple observation of a “pocket clip,” often readily visible. All officers need to do is keep their eyes peeled, and they can add another misdemeanor to their tally — or, if they’re lucky, a felony.
Matt Galluzzo, a former assistant district attorney in Manhattan, now a defense attorney in private practice, says that for many officers, a gravity-knife arrest is simply a hard collar to pass up. “You don’t have to fight the guy, you don’t have to chase him,” Galluzzo says. “It’s an easy way to make an arrest. And they’re under pressure to make arrests.” A poster on Officer.com, a verified online message board for law enforcement officers, put it bluntly in 2013 when he advised a rookie to be on the lookout for “GKs”: “make sure they have a prior conviction so you can bump it up to that felony!!!”
Most of the D.A.s in the state “have never prosecuted a gravity-knife case, or haven’t prosecuted one in 30 years,” according to a spokesperson for the District Attorneys Association of the State of New York. Even just beyond the city limits, gravity-knife prosecutions are exceedingly rare. While the population of the Bronx is roughly equal to that of Suffolk County on Long Island, the Bronx prosecuted more than 10 times as many likely cases in 2013 as its counterpart across the water.
Even worse, critics charge, is that officials have prosecuted knife users aggressively while doing little to address the source of those same knives, which are sold openly at reputable retailers all over the city. New York State assemblyman Dan Quart, a Democrat from Manhattan, says there’s an obvious contradiction at play: “You can walk in and purchase one of these knives over the counter,” he says, “and then walk out and get arrested.”...
The racial breakdown of stops is also striking. Of the thousands of arrests that resulted from stop-and-frisk encounters, 86 percent of the total involved black or Hispanic suspects. And a Voice analysis also shows that white suspects are significantly more likely to be let go, even when they’re caught carrying knives. Only 35 percent of white suspects found with knives — virtually any of which might meet the NYPD’s ecumenical definition — are arrested, while 56 percent of black and Hispanic suspects are ultimately booked.
Ah, and finally, a definition of what a gravity knife is:
The original gravity knife — the type legislators targeted when they banned them half a century ago — bears no resemblance to the kind that landed Richard Neal and thousands of others in jail over the last decade. Developed by the German military for use by paratroopers during World War II, the idea behind a gravity knife was simple: An unlucky parachutist who found himself in a tight spot — tangled in a tree, for example — would be able to access the knife even with injuries or limited mobility. Simply press a button and the blade would literally fall out of the handle and lock in place...
The legislature didn’t target gravity knives at the time — they were still rarely seen in the U.S. But after switchblade bans went into effect, the knife industry saw an opportunity. Even though they were nearly identical in design, gravity knives lacked a spring, a key characteristic of the newly illegal switchblades. So manufacturers stuck with warehouses full of worthless knives simply removed the springs and went on selling, calling the new products “gravity knives.”
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most weapon bans are pretty silly and arbitrary. Look at the old AWB... Flash hider? Banned.. Muzzle Break? ok... Bayonet Lug? Banned... Grenade launcher oh sorry I mean “flaregun attachment” is ok as long as you can’t fix a bayonet on it...
"Flash hider? Banned.. Muzzle Break? ok" In all fairness, muzzle breaks have practical civilian use as a way to reduce recoil for target shooting, while flash hiders just make it difficult for authorities to spot the location of a shooter. Muzzle breaks actually increase the noise level of a firearm, making more detectable than a stock barrel.
Flash hiders vent gas to the sides/down instead of straight out so that the shooter isn't blinded as much while firing at night. It does virtually nothing to hide a flash from the person you're shooting at. I get that the articles you've googled say that it hides the flash, but that doesn't make sense logically. It should make the flash a similar size except down/to the sides instead of a cone centered on the muzzle. The gases/gunpowder have to go somewhere.
Flash hiders make shooting at night less terrible.
> Muzzle breaks actually increase the noise level of a firearm, making more detectable than a stock barrel.
Muzzle breaks increase perceived noise for the shooter because the gas is vented towards the shooter and towards the sides. It is not a sound amplifier. It likely slightly decreases the noise in the direction of the muzzle because some of the pressure waves will go sideways/backwards instead of forward.
Muzzle breaks make shooting more pleasant with high powered rifles.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Racism totally existed in “free” states. His argument his the laws were more sneaky about it, since you couldn’t just say “no guns for blacks”
Nope. He didn’t say racism . He said slavery . I’m quite familiar with these slippery slope style arguments.
That was what I was getting at.
By "late for the region" I meant compared to their neighbours to the North and East (Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, The Vermont Republic†) and Pennsylvania.
† Not a state at the time, for the obvious reason of being an unrecognized secession from New York, for the purpose of (among other things) abolishing adult slavery.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is why the 2nd Amendment is an important right to uphold. If one cannot protect oneself against criminal elements, one is vulnerable to be harmed, intimidated, & suppressed. Outlawing certain types of guns & knives also exposes the population to selective enforcement, civil asset forfeiture, & other means to tyranny. Of course, there are practical limits, like it probably wouldn't behoove us to ensure that every…
>If one cannot protect oneself against criminal elements, one is vulnerable to be harmed, intimidated, & suppressed. That really isn't the first order way one protects themselves from criminal elements. Even if you are Jason Bourne, living in a mad max wasteland you will not live long. Whereas millions of people with zero self defense skills can go through their whole lives never having to defend themselves at all in…
This is a false dichotomy. Banning legal gun ownership does not mean a civilized society (i.e. Bordertowns in Mexico) & protecting legal gun ownership does not mean a Mad Max Society.
> It isn't even clear if keeping powerful weapons around in a civilized place is a net win on safety.
The maxim is one of preventing asymmetric power. Legal Gun Ownership is an effective strategy to check the lethal power of the state, cartels, gangs, etc.
Hitler, Stalin, & Mao used gun control to give the state a monopoly on violence. Many societies that have gun control are relatively safe, but many with gun control also devolve into a case where the criminal elements gain power & rule due to a monopoly on violence.
Mexico does not allow legal gun ownership yet Sinaloa, Los Zetas, MS-13, & corrupt Federales own guns. The law abiding population suffers (in horrific ways) as a result.
Chicago has some of the strongest gun control laws in the USA; yet, gang members don't seem to want to follow the law...and the violent crime rates hold testament to the consequences.
Legal gun ownership is one of many strategies to implement. It's a particularly effective safeguard when you have political/demographic/cultural/societal dynamics that are less than ideal to ensure that law abiding citizens have a shooting chance.
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#119I'm not American, but I don't understand, how did this man get those 6 years added in a tribunal? Did he go to court? I mean what kind of legal people put this guy in jail for that? I mean did anybody blink on it? Sure the law is a problem, but I don't see what motivations the justice system can have to apply the law like that, can somebody explain it to me?
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#120This is a single symptom of a larger issue, namely an excess of laws to the point that any law can be arbitrarily used to prosecute you if you are of an unwanted class, race, etc. Add on top the police quota system and you have a recipe of this type of injustice that runs the gamut, from antiquidated knife laws to the drug war. To me, this is largely a result of lawyers fucking ruining everything they touch, and then…
It's absolutely absurd that "arrest quotas" are even a thing in America. The job of the police in most first world countries is to protect the people, not make arrests for ludicrous laws. I don't want my tax dollars funding police officers camping out on highways to hand out speeding tickets or arresting random people for having pocket knives on them. No wonder Americans have such an adversarial relationship with the…