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Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

VirtualAirwaves wrote: post #20

In the United States, Obesity is one of the leading causes of death, with estimates as high as 300,000 deaths/year. (See https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html ) Deaths from Anorexia are about 150/year (See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11513012 ) Yet we're all hypersensitive about telling women they are overweight or obese. It would be like spending weeks in urban schools talking about how to avoid poison…

I didn't see the 300,000 number in your CDC link. I'm curious where you found a number so low.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm says that some 2.6 million Americans die each year. I think it's safe to estimate that more than the 36.5% obesity rate for the entire population applies to this group, implying that some 958 thousand people died while obese (ignoring cause). The top 10 causes of death include heart disease at #1, strokes, and diabetes; these factors alone total to 853 thousand deaths due to conditions largely caused by obesity. Furthermore, studies suggest that some fraction of the almost 600k cancer deaths are caused by obesity. I think you're at least a factor of 3 too low.

I will play devil's advocate for a moment, though, and say that among high school girls, anorexia is a much more frequent problem than death by heart attack. No, it doesn't lead to death, but that doesn't mean it's not a problem.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by drakonka »

tgb wrote: post #112
cyphar wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yet we're all hypersensitive about telling women they are overweight or obese. Also smoking is very normalised in many parts of the world, thanks to American lobbying. I really wish more countries would follow Australia's lead on smoking legislation. Smoking kills ~500,000 a year[1]. > It would be like spending weeks in urban schools talking about how to avoid poisonous snake bites and spending 15 minutes on automo…

Is it American lobbying? As an American, I could never live in Europe since the cigarette smoke everywhere disgusts me. Too bad because they have a lot of other things figured out but will still be smoking the cigarettes outdoors in a crowded restaurant seating or worse, around children. I've never seen anything like it in the US though the current riser of ecigs is concerning.

I live in the EU and agree on the smoking issue; thankfully more places are disallowing smoking in their outdoor seating now, and chewing tobacco and vaping are becoming much more popular.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by briholt »

jogjayr wrote: post #116
coldtea wrote: post #31

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> The implication of this article is that agencies would be obligated to use what the article calls "more obtainable" bodies. Is this actually the case? I think it's vastly more likely that this will do little more than sharply increase the demand for people that actually have the bodies that other individuals were being photoshopped to have. You could always insist that the distribution of bodies shown in a magazine…

> You could always insist that the distribution of bodies shown in a magazine follows the distribution of weights/heights in the general population (with some margin of error). And heavily fine them out of business when it does not. Problem solved. That sounds like an infringement on the freedom of speech, in countries where it applies. It also seems ridiculously difficult to judge and enforce. The government would n…

But is it really fair that surgeons or NFL players don't match societal distributions for their respective traits? Think about how this makes all of the low-dexterity, low-coordination little boys and girls feel. For the sake of feelings, I demand mandatory mediocrity for every profession. Anyone trying to be exceptional should be hampered accordingly.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by dragonwriter »

indubitable wrote: post #19

The implication of this article is that agencies would be obligated to use what the article calls "more obtainable" bodies. Is this actually the case? I think it's vastly more likely that this will do little more than sharply increase the demand for people that actually have the bodies that other individuals were being photoshopped to have. It'd be like if a country banned all voice processing software when singing (…

> The implication of this article is that agencies would be obligated to use what the article calls "more obtainable" bodies. Is this actually the case?

Obligated overstates the case, but certainly economically encouraged to compared to the status quo ante, as the benefit (where manipulation is required) is lower and/or cost (of finding models and constructing shoots where it is not required) for not using obtainable body images.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by lloydde »

userbinator wrote: post #118
lloydde wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t have the expertise to comment on the effectiveness of this legislation, but your simile doesn’t work. Both anorexia and obesity are symptoms of the same problem: society projecting unrealistic body imagery, more generally over focus on physical appearance over health indicators, contributing to serious body image psychological issues, particularly among females. People with either diagnosis often have related…

Both anorexia and obesity are symptoms of the same problem: society projecting unrealistic body imagery It is interesting to note that several centuries ago, when far more of the population was underweight, being somewhat overweight or even obese was considered the ideal. Now that the average weight has increased significantly, it seems the "unrealistic body imagery" has gone in the other direction.

This observation distracts from the fact that that nutrition and body science is young. Hypothesizes that have experimental support come from the last 130 years, but even then most of popular theories of the last decades have contradictory evidence.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by lloydde »

userbinator wrote: post #118
lloydde wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t have the expertise to comment on the effectiveness of this legislation, but your simile doesn’t work. Both anorexia and obesity are symptoms of the same problem: society projecting unrealistic body imagery, more generally over focus on physical appearance over health indicators, contributing to serious body image psychological issues, particularly among females. People with either diagnosis often have related…

Both anorexia and obesity are symptoms of the same problem: society projecting unrealistic body imagery It is interesting to note that several centuries ago, when far more of the population was underweight, being somewhat overweight or even obese was considered the ideal. Now that the average weight has increased significantly, it seems the "unrealistic body imagery" has gone in the other direction.

It would have been more accurately if I had included psychological unrealistic body imagery. Others in this thread have suggested that the manipulation is to make people look fit, but there are regular articles that describe those clicks of the mouse resulting in physiologically extreme, if not impossible body proportions.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by lloydde »

userbinator wrote: post #118
lloydde wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t have the expertise to comment on the effectiveness of this legislation, but your simile doesn’t work. Both anorexia and obesity are symptoms of the same problem: society projecting unrealistic body imagery, more generally over focus on physical appearance over health indicators, contributing to serious body image psychological issues, particularly among females. People with either diagnosis often have related…

Both anorexia and obesity are symptoms of the same problem: society projecting unrealistic body imagery It is interesting to note that several centuries ago, when far more of the population was underweight, being somewhat overweight or even obese was considered the ideal. Now that the average weight has increased significantly, it seems the "unrealistic body imagery" has gone in the other direction.

What I do like about your observation is that it brings to my mind that although there has always been artistic license in previous centuries, for the most part the images were attempting to accurately represent the specific persons show.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by [deleted] »

wpietri wrote: post #108
VirtualAirwaves wrote: post #20

In the United States, Obesity is one of the leading causes of death, with estimates as high as 300,000 deaths/year. (See https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html ) Deaths from Anorexia are about 150/year (See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11513012 ) Yet we're all hypersensitive about telling women they are overweight or obese. It would be like spending weeks in urban schools talking about how to avoid poison…

You talk about these like they are two distinct problems, but they're closely related. Unhealthy body image drives a lot of unhealthy food behaviors and weight gain [1]. That negative body image is driven by many things, including fashion culture promoting atypical or fictional bodies [2][3]. It is also driven by a culture of fat shaming. [4] So if you are really serious about reducing harm from obesity, promoting mo…

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