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It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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I know the chrome dev tools are also just a web app themselves (or at least for the most part are). I don't know the stack, but I do remember there is a way to open dev tools FOR the dev tools window.

Okay, obvious question: are they portable enough that we could just wholesale import them into Firefox?

I'm honestly not sure. It would be cool to attempt that, but I have a feeling at least the chrome dev tools use internal/privileged APIs

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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As well as the vastly better Firefox, I've been very impressed by the new Brave browser[1]. Actually, extremely impressed. I normally do dev with Chrome for heavy JS (even compared to new devel edition ff) and even though Brave's devtools seem to match up to an older version compared to Chrome, page updates etc are just so much faster in Brave than in Chrome. Fast renders matters a LOT when you're developing. (Btw, t…

Maybe I'm missing something, but my impression of Brave was that behind the scenes it was just another Chromium browser. All the same little issues I have with Chromium were present in Brave when I tried it - exact same configuration tweaks (other than privacy stuff in Chrome) I needed to make to get me to a happy state. So aren't any of the visible speedups just a matter of the native adblocking? Are you comparing t…

Right, so it is definitely a fork from Chromium (or at least the devtools seem to match an older version of Chrome's), and agreed completely with regards to config tweaks, but I definitely see a huge speedup versus using adblockers (ABP+UBO+PB) in Chromium, including on local dev sites with no ads/privacy to block. It (at least seems to) render much, much faster.

Always take non-indie benchmarks with a grain of salt, of course, but given that their CEO is the developer of JS, it's probably not too much of a stretch to imagine that this is a true or mostly-true claim from their main website page[1]: "Brave loads major news sites 2 to 8 times faster than Chrome and Safari on mobile. And Brave is 2 times faster than Chrome on desktop."

I haven't tried installing chrome extensions in it yet, but if that works, then Brave is definitely my new browser. It seems simple and clean; a worthy successor to both FF and Chrome.

1. https://brave.com

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Firefox Nightly on Android has the best tab management work flow far more usable than Chrome ... have been using FF nightly on linux laptop for past several years and love how Sync seamlessly shares bookmarks and open tabs across devices ... in general I find FF uses less RAM and CPU than Chrome ... Congrats on the hard work over at Mozilla !!!

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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A couple major releases ago. To be fair, most of this isn't new, but other problems had precluded my ability to move for a long time to enjoy these features. For example, the app we developed at my workplace was painfully unusably slow in Firefox (even slower than Edge sometimes!) I also previously had problems with single tabs causing stuff to lock up or at least respond slowly. This happened with SoundCloud a coupl…

Lastpass being borky in Firefox Nightly is one of the reasons I switched back to Chrome some months ago. You're saying 1password is great on Firefox? Do you prefer 1password in general now, if so, why? Lastpass is a lot cheaper for one.

1password is less convenient in some ways but more in others. For example, it works better with native apps since I can at least bring up 1password mini at any time with the keyboard shortcut. It also supports storing TOTP alongside passwords, which obviously removes some of the robustness but is really convenient and retains some benefits of OTPs - after autofill, it copies TOTP to clipboard, so you can hit the autofill shortcut, Ctrl+V, enter and be logged in. Plus, I can trust their security more than I can trust LastPass - they have a nice, detailed whitepaper, a good track record, and the support of experts.

It's expensive, but it's good software. Especially the Mac OS version. It also supports the new Android 8 autofill API, which is already kind of useful.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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To be clear: The for-profit is wholly owned by the non-profit; so there are no shareholders (except for the non-profit). There are restrictions around what 501(c)(3)s can do. The existence of Firefox helps push the goals of Mozilla Foundation, and also bring extra money to the table of the non-profit (but not unbounded! There are similar restrictions on how much money can travel back that way) This is not an uncommon…

Yes, and to be clear, I don't have any issues with this setup. I just wanted to correct the original statement, because it annoys me when "for-profit vs non-profit" is used to imply things that it doesn't actually imply (lack of a profit motive). Or when people imply that being as non-profit means that the company can't or doesn't actually turn a profit.

Yeah, I get that, just wanted to add further clarification that there aren't shareholders etc etc

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Can you try this in an install of Nightly? It's working for me.

Works in Nightly but the video quality is beyond garbage. 1080p webcam should not look like 320p. Chrome properly sees my camera resolution and uses it.

interesting, will file a bug

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Yes, if you want to run unsigned addons, you need Dev or Nightly. That makes sense. Not letting "normal" users accidentally install malware extensions is really good. "is unstable" isn't a good reason to avoid it. I've been using Nightly as my daily (heh) driver for a long time. It's been awesome. BTW, approval is really fast now: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2017/09/21/review-wait-times...

> Not letting "normal" users accidentally install I strongly disagree. Browser functionality for everyone shouldn't be gimped to protect a small subset of users from themselves. >"is unstable" isn't a good reason to avoid it. I'm not holding a controversial opinion in thinking that alphas are generally buggy for significant subset of the userbase. I get that it might work fine for you but there's a reason aurora isn'…

"small subset"?! Most Firefox users don't install addons at all. The number of people who want to install addons from random untrusted places is really tiny.

Developer Edition is not alpha.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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The only thing that is keeping me on Chrome is buttery-smooth gestures (swipe left / right to go to previous / next page) on a MBP touchpad. If they have that built in I'd probably switch.

Also, Chrome has proper two finger pinch zooming on touchscreens. Firefox just simulates ctrl+scroll wheel, which is 1. slow and 2. not nearly as useful for the user. But that's not something I use often, I gladly switched over to Firefox again, this new version is really something.

This is a deal breaker for me as well.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Even worse, it's a walled garden. You can't edit or make your own extensions without getting each change approved by Mozilla first. They say to use the alpha(dev) or unbranded versions but the former is unstable and the later has no packaging or language support.

Don't know what you mean with packaging support, but you can install language packs into the Unbranded Builds to get the different languages.

No repository, anywhere, has unbranded Firefox packaged up and with updates. If you want to run it that means manually downloading it and changing system config by hand each time there's a patch or version increment.
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