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Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by oh_sigh »

Mz wrote: post #87
cyphar wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe some people legitimately were concerned for your health? The statistics are indisputable, being obese causes permanent damage to your body and reduces both the quality and length of your life. Wanting someone to frame this differently is a bit of an odd complaint. I also used to be obese, and I also made my own decision to become healthy. I don't think you can force someone to become healthier, but I doubt t…

Or maybe some people legitimately were concerned for your health? I know the motives of the judgy people who were a part of my life better than you do. This kind of comment really should just never happen. In one sentence, you are casually dismissing conclusions about my own life that have taken me decades to arrive at. Also, GP was pointing out the double standard when it comes to how anorexia and obesity are treate…

> In one sentence, you are casually dismissing conclusions about my own life that have taken me decades to arrive at.

Aren't you also casually dismissing other peoples lived experience by assuming you know what their motivations are?

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by ashark »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #85
thatfrenchguy wrote: post #29

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As a French person: stop subsidizing corn, start subsidizing vegetables, stop eating take-out. If you look at a middle-class supermarket in France and in the US you understand why your poor are obese pretty quickly.

Yes and no. I live in the USA. I shop in a few different supermarket each catering to a particular class (if you will). Mind you, the overall selection reflects the income level the store serves. But that doesn't completely explain what goes into the carts. Long to short, I'm not so sure the less well to do are making decisions that keep them healthy. Soda, ice cream, sugary cereals, etc. These things are in the uppe…

Upper classes are socialized against sweet=good. That helps.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by gnaritas »

VirtualAirwaves wrote: post #20

In the United States, Obesity is one of the leading causes of death, with estimates as high as 300,000 deaths/year. (See https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html ) Deaths from Anorexia are about 150/year (See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11513012 ) Yet we're all hypersensitive about telling women they are overweight or obese. It would be like spending weeks in urban schools talking about how to avoid poison…

> Yet we're all hypersensitive about telling women they are overweight or obese.

Women don't need to be told they're overweight and obese, all fat people know it, they think about it every day. Are you really so insensitive that you think they need to be told?

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by Mz »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #100
Mz wrote: post #97

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There is a complex relationship there that can be summed up pithily as "Them that has, gets."

But has is also a function of decisions, which is also related to knowledge / awareness. No doubt, lower income areas have less / worse selection. But that kinda doesn't explain why the better off don't choose and consume those same things as they are just as available to them.

Like I said: It's complicated.

I am a strange mix of privilege and poverty. I was in gifted programs in public school and I have six years of college. I also am a woman and I have serious health issues.

I am getting healthier and I am getting more well off as a consequence. I think a lot about the details of the very complex relationship between health and wealth.

It is a really complicated thing that cannot be pinned down to any one thing. Education, social fabric, enhanced personal agency, greater de facto rights and a whole raft load of stuff tends to be involved in who is both rich and healthy and who gets access to neither.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by chiefalchemist »

egwynn wrote: post #91
chiefalchemist wrote: post #85

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Yes and no. I live in the USA. I shop in a few different supermarket each catering to a particular class (if you will). Mind you, the overall selection reflects the income level the store serves. But that doesn't completely explain what goes into the carts. Long to short, I'm not so sure the less well to do are making decisions that keep them healthy. Soda, ice cream, sugary cereals, etc. These things are in the uppe…

The way I’ve heard it explained is that poor people will base their grocery purchases based on price, and that gets to GP’s point about not subsidizing corn. The reasoning goes: cheap corn leads to low-end food being filled with corn syrup, which leads to poor people eating tons of sugar, which leads to health problems among poor people. The solution, under this scheme, is to help steer the schedule of food prices so…

Agree 100%!

In fact approx 10+ yrs ago the NY Times Sunday mag ran an article that said what you just did. In short, corn subsidies lead to cheap sweeteners, and those to cheap (but frutose based) foods.

Ironic that cities (e.g., Philadelphia) have a (so called) sugar drink tax" but their tax dollars (via subsidies) were already used to lower the cost of those drinks. Ultimately, the consumer pays. The consumer always pays.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by GordonS »

chiefofgxbxl wrote: post #75
cyphar wrote: post #57

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In Australia (after we introduced plain packaging laws for cigarettes, banned advertising, and made many other related laws) smoking has dropped significantly[1]. It's amazing how much advertising and education plays into this. What if it was not legal to advertise junk food to children, or you had plain-packaging style laws for junk food? I used to be obese, so I completely agree that fat people usually are somewhat…

One problem is that "junk food" is an ill-defined term, even though it may seem obvious. For example, years ago Greek Yogurt became popular in supermarkets in the U.S. If you look at the nutrition label of a yogurt like Chobani, it contains roughly 4 teaspoons of sugar in one small container. And yet yogurt is advertised as a healthy food. If you "quit sugar" in the U.S., you'll quickly realize just how many items at…

You make a good point about defining junk food, buy I'm not sure Chobani yoghurt is the best example; the only sugar in plain Chobani yoghurt is lactose from the milk that was used to make it - lactose has a much lower glycemic index than that of glucose.

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Post by meowface »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #45
omosubi wrote: post #14

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it may not be a worse public health problem, but eating disorders, especially anorexia, have the highest fatality rate of any mental health disorder. source - https://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/directors/thomas-insel/blog/2...

Obesity has the highest co-morbidity of any mental health disorder.

Is this illness olympics? Both are bad.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by wpietri »

VirtualAirwaves wrote: post #20

In the United States, Obesity is one of the leading causes of death, with estimates as high as 300,000 deaths/year. (See https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html ) Deaths from Anorexia are about 150/year (See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11513012 ) Yet we're all hypersensitive about telling women they are overweight or obese. It would be like spending weeks in urban schools talking about how to avoid poison…

You talk about these like they are two distinct problems, but they're closely related. Unhealthy body image drives a lot of unhealthy food behaviors and weight gain [1]. That negative body image is driven by many things, including fashion culture promoting atypical or fictional bodies [2][3]. It is also driven by a culture of fat shaming. [4]

So if you are really serious about reducing harm from obesity, promoting more realistic, healthier body images is a valuable step in that direction.

[1] e.g.: http://www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X%2815%2900288-8/p...

[2] http://www.sirc.org/publik/mirror.html

[3] e.g.: the phenomenon of "shadow pies" http://memehuffer.typepad.com/meme_huffer/2008/06/who-ate-al...

[4] http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/health/fat-shaming-sick-study-...

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by Mz »

oh_sigh wrote: post #101
Mz wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe some people legitimately were concerned for your health? I know the motives of the judgy people who were a part of my life better than you do. This kind of comment really should just never happen. In one sentence, you are casually dismissing conclusions about my own life that have taken me decades to arrive at. Also, GP was pointing out the double standard when it comes to how anorexia and obesity are treate…

> In one sentence, you are casually dismissing conclusions about my own life that have taken me decades to arrive at. Aren't you also casually dismissing other peoples lived experience by assuming you know what their motivations are?

Taking decades to draw certain conclusions about my own life is not something I would describe as casual.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by headmelted »

Mz wrote: post #64
jdavis703 wrote: post #51

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The food we have in the U.S., particularly in low-income areas is atrocious. However there are a lot of excuses being made about obesity, including that it's caused by poverty. Yes poverty is a component, but the obesity epidemic is striking all income groups, with no particular correlation to income [0]. It's more about the diet and exercise choices that people choose to make, include the middle class and upper clas…

Almost everyone in the US is a prisoner of their car. Our built environment presumes that you have a car. We make it very challenging to live without one. And then we have to listen to Stephen Hawking be judgy about how we "choose" to not be active, which he can't understand from his wheelchair. Most Americans are confined to a wheeled chair for many hours a week. We just call it a car, but good luck getting free of…

We switched to one family car around 7 years ago, as I quickly realized it would be a lot less hassle and expense for me to just use public transportation to get into the city.

Fast-forward to now and I'm seriously contemplating buying another car (which I am utterly loath to do), solely because of how unreliable public transport is in my part of the world.

Besides the above, I had a conversation with a cyclist in work earlier this week who is considering giving it up and going back to driving (also against his will) because he finds it hard to breathe with all the diesels on the road that have had the particulate filters ripped out (a law that is completely ignored here, so is commonplace).

(As a side note, if you're wondering how he knows which cars have had this done, Google "coal-rolling" and you'll understand quickly.)

This is far more nuanced (and ridiculous) than people understand. While it might be healthy in the US to walk and cycle rather than drive, in Europe it's borderline hazardous.

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