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How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

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Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

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I'm not American, but I don't understand, how did this man get those 6 years added in a tribunal? Did he go to court? I mean what kind of legal people put this guy in jail for that? I mean did anybody blink on it?

Sure the law is a problem, but I don't see what motivations the justice system can have to apply the law like that, can somebody explain it to me?

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"She still feels sick about the conviction she was compelled to hand out, to a man who was initially stopped by police for being in a city park after nightfall. Although the law was, in her view, deeply flawed, she felt she had no choice but to vote with the majority. Glaser herself carries a Swiss Army knife on her keychain.

“It just seemed like a trumped-up charge,” she says. “And it certainly doesn’t seem like it’s enforced equally across the board.”

This reads like a textbook example discussing the case for jury nullification.

Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

#63

New York (State and City) has an obsession with blaming weapons (and potential weapons) for crime, they have a web of arcane and nonsensical laws which tend to penalize common people who want to believe that the laws are reasonable, and are surprised to find out just how unreasonable they are. The officials of course love these laws. They've made the public so wary of "weapons" that it's valuable for them to invent a…

New York abolished slavery in 1799 and New Jersey in 1804. Pennsylvania was first in 1780.

What you're 'wondering' is right wing nonsense.

Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

#64
post #41

Screw all gun and knife laws. Wholly unconstitutional. In my state, I can carry a concealed gun and switchblade, no license necessary. That’s the way it should be nationally.

At least until we repeal the 2nd Amendment.

Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

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post #62

"She still feels sick about the conviction she was compelled to hand out, to a man who was initially stopped by police for being in a city park after nightfall. Although the law was, in her view, deeply flawed, she felt she had no choice but to vote with the majority. Glaser herself carries a Swiss Army knife on her keychain. “It just seemed like a trumped-up charge,” she says. “And it certainly doesn’t seem like it’…

Or you know, just hold out and force a mistrial. This really speaks to the colossal susceptibility of jurors to blind groupthink.

Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

#66

This is a single symptom of a larger issue, namely an excess of laws to the point that any law can be arbitrarily used to prosecute you if you are of an unwanted class, race, etc. Add on top the police quota system and you have a recipe of this type of injustice that runs the gamut, from antiquidated knife laws to the drug war. To me, this is largely a result of lawyers fucking ruining everything they touch, and then…

>The officer said, ‘When I find someone with one of these knives, sometimes I arrest him, sometimes I give him a summons, sometimes I just let him go.’ ” Galluzzo’s partner, Zachary Johnson, also a former district attorney in Manhattan, adds that such discretion is supposed to be exercised by prosecutors, not cops on the beat . “An officer should be making an arrest every time or none of the time,” Johnson says. “Oth…

I don't understand. Why is it fair if that decision just happens a bit further up the chain? What's the difference?

Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lawyers aren’t the ones who propose the laws, or write them, or vote on them. Professionally, lawyers are the ones who represent people in disputes. Arrogant jackasses like you are what give techies a bad name.

0.6% of the population are lawyers. 41% of legislators are lawyers. Legislators propose, write, and vote on the laws. It's duplicitous to say that lawyers don't propose, write, or vote on laws.

Lawyers should recuse themselves from being legislators. It's a conflict of interest.

Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

#68
post #3

It's the Village Voice, which is a pretty bad source, but I've read most of the article anyway, expecting a definition of 'gravity knife' at some point and now given up.

As defined by New York, basically any modern folding knife. If you can open it one-handed, it’s a “gravity knife”. I went to NY last year. I could have been prosecuted under this law.

Spring assist folding knives don't meet the NY definition of a gravity knife even though they are easier to deploy than many thumb stud knives. They can be purchased in the city.

Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

#69

Can some lawyer on here explain how this law is not plainly in conflict with the Second Ammendment? How can a city just decide they don't like knives? In part of the article, someone describes these knives as "dangerous weapons" -- well, yea, that's the idea ...

The courts haven't yet decided whether or not the "bear arms" part of the second amendment means you have a right to carry arms outside your home.

Wrenn v. DC recently ruled in favor of that interpretation, and DC is now deciding if they want to try to take it to the supreme court. The 9th circuit found otherwise in Peruta v San Diego, so there's a good chance SCOTUS takes it if appealed.

Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

#70

Can some lawyer on here explain how this law is not plainly in conflict with the Second Ammendment? How can a city just decide they don't like knives? In part of the article, someone describes these knives as "dangerous weapons" -- well, yea, that's the idea ...

The courts haven't yet decided whether or not the "bear arms" part of the second amendment means you have a right to carry arms outside your home. Wrenn v. DC recently ruled in favor of that interpretation, and DC is now deciding if they want to try to take it to the supreme court. The 9th circuit found otherwise in Peruta v San Diego, so there's a good chance SCOTUS takes it if appealed.

> The courts haven't yet decided whether or not the "bear arms" part of the second amendment means you have a right to carry arms outside your home.

Absurd

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