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Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by tomp » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 3:51 PM UTC

craftyguy wrote: post #43

thatfrenchguy wrote: post #29

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As a French person: stop subsidizing corn, start subsidizing vegetables, stop eating take-out. If you look at a middle-class supermarket in France and in the US you understand why your poor are obese pretty quickly.

Not just France, but most European countries.. every time I travel in Europe there's always this initial realization that I'm no longer surrounded by obese people. None of the places I've been to over there encourage the same eating habits that you find prevalent in the US.

Don't worry, obesity rates are going up in Europe as well, so we'll soon be just like the US!

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by RodericDay » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 3:51 PM UTC

VirtualAirwaves wrote: post #20

In the United States, Obesity is one of the leading causes of death, with estimates as high as 300,000 deaths/year. (See https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html ) Deaths from Anorexia are about 150/year (See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11513012 ) Yet we're all hypersensitive about telling women they are overweight or obese. It would be like spending weeks in urban schools talking about how to avoid poison…

Posts like these make me very happy I'm hellbanned from this website.

An article talking about making life easier for women by removing all this odious, absolutely bullshit pressure to see themselves primarily as sex objects, measuring themselves against unrealizeable standards...

And the first top-voted reply is some complete nonsense about how we need more of that shit not less.

Fun fact: Obesity has far more to do with car-centric america.

Fun fact: Obesity has far more to do with poor cultural diets, food deserts, and poverty in America.

Fun fact: Making a goal seem completely unreachable is a great way to get people to give up before even trying.

And, since I'm already hellbanned: fuck you.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by cyphar » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 3:52 PM UTC

Mz wrote: post #56

VirtualAirwaves wrote: post #20

In the United States, Obesity is one of the leading causes of death, with estimates as high as 300,000 deaths/year. (See https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html ) Deaths from Anorexia are about 150/year (See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11513012 ) Yet we're all hypersensitive about telling women they are overweight or obese. It would be like spending weeks in urban schools talking about how to avoid poison…

Yet we're all hypersensitive about telling women they are overweight or obese. One of the reasons for this is that women don't really get told they should work on their fitness to improve their own quality of life. The framing is almost always that the only real value a woman has is as a sex object. Telling women they need to lose weight is also a blame game where people with relatively little control over their live…

Or maybe some people legitimately were concerned for your health? The statistics are indisputable, being obese causes permanent damage to your body and reduces both the quality and length of your life. Wanting someone to frame this differently is a bit of an odd complaint.

I also used to be obese, and I also made my own decision to become healthy. I don't think you can force someone to become healthier, but I doubt that I would be in my current state today if nobody mentioned my weight to me. Maybe you feel differently, but ignoring a problem rarely helps make it go away.

Blaming your environment (Elevators? Really? Every building has fire stairs...) or society at large for people not being motivated to lose weight is an odd perspective (especially blaming people who are trying to help by bringing the problem to your attention). Letting things slide, and a lack of constant affirmation is what caused to me to remain obese for several years. There are better ways of helping (offering to go for a run with someone), but ultimately that's just a nicer way to remind someone of their weight.

Also, GP was pointing out the double standard when it comes to how anorexia and obesity are treated by society.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by sametmax » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 3:52 PM UTC

Mz wrote: post #64

jdavis703 wrote: post #51

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The food we have in the U.S., particularly in low-income areas is atrocious. However there are a lot of excuses being made about obesity, including that it's caused by poverty. Yes poverty is a component, but the obesity epidemic is striking all income groups, with no particular correlation to income [0]. It's more about the diet and exercise choices that people choose to make, include the middle class and upper clas…

Almost everyone in the US is a prisoner of their car. Our built environment presumes that you have a car. We make it very challenging to live without one. And then we have to listen to Stephen Hawking be judgy about how we "choose" to not be active, which he can't understand from his wheelchair. Most Americans are confined to a wheeled chair for many hours a week. We just call it a car, but good luck getting free of…

Half of the problem is not the infrastructure, but peoples priorities and the public perception of the pros/cons of a car. Also the value of the car as a symbol.

A couple will make 3 kids and say "I can't do without a car". But the couple never ponder the cost of making a family. The fact or having a car or not, and other matters of life style, are an after thoughs. And if you raise the issue, you are a cold robot for thinking that way instead of with your "heart".

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by chiefofgxbxl » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 3:53 PM UTC

cyphar wrote: post #57

pjc50 wrote: post #40

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Generally people know they're overweight, and there is no shyness about telling people so. Especially women. What there is a lack of is compassionate, practical help. It's quite a bit like smoking; few people would argue that they didn't know they were smoking, the issue is whether they care about the negative health effects and how they can actually do something about it that sticks.

In Australia (after we introduced plain packaging laws for cigarettes, banned advertising, and made many other related laws) smoking has dropped significantly[1]. It's amazing how much advertising and education plays into this. What if it was not legal to advertise junk food to children, or you had plain-packaging style laws for junk food? I used to be obese, so I completely agree that fat people usually are somewhat…

One problem is that "junk food" is an ill-defined term, even though it may seem obvious.

For example, years ago Greek Yogurt became popular in supermarkets in the U.S. If you look at the nutrition label of a yogurt like Chobani, it contains roughly 4 teaspoons of sugar in one small container. And yet yogurt is advertised as a healthy food.

If you "quit sugar" in the U.S., you'll quickly realize just how many items at supermarkets have added sugar. I'm more concerned about "sneaky calories" then straight-up junk food.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by cyphar » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 3:53 PM UTC

acheron wrote: post #66

caseysoftware wrote: post #55

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That's because everything in Australia is [secretly] plotting to kill you! ;)

There was a kids' cartoon from the U.K. I think, where one of the episodes was about how spiders are our friends and you don't need to be afraid of them, etc. When the show was broadcast in Australia they left that episode out, because all the spiders in Australia probably will kill you. :)

Yes, it was an episode of "Peppa Pig". https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/sep/05/peppa-p...

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by DanBC » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 3:57 PM UTC

cyphar wrote: post #73

Mz wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet we're all hypersensitive about telling women they are overweight or obese. One of the reasons for this is that women don't really get told they should work on their fitness to improve their own quality of life. The framing is almost always that the only real value a woman has is as a sex object. Telling women they need to lose weight is also a blame game where people with relatively little control over their live…

Or maybe some people legitimately were concerned for your health? The statistics are indisputable, being obese causes permanent damage to your body and reduces both the quality and length of your life. Wanting someone to frame this differently is a bit of an odd complaint. I also used to be obese, and I also made my own decision to become healthy. I don't think you can force someone to become healthier, but I doubt t…

Obesogenic environments exist.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by coldtea » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 3:57 PM UTC

paulddraper wrote: post #61

coldtea wrote: post #31

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> The implication of this article is that agencies would be obligated to use what the article calls "more obtainable" bodies. Is this actually the case? I think it's vastly more likely that this will do little more than sharply increase the demand for people that actually have the bodies that other individuals were being photoshopped to have. You could always insist that the distribution of bodies shown in a magazine…

"Problem solved." I don't think you've predicted this correctly. Does the prominence matter? Size? Adjacent material?

>Does the prominence matter? Size? Adjacent material?

No, no and no.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by sillysaurus3 » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 4:00 PM UTC

cyphar wrote: post #73

Mz wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet we're all hypersensitive about telling women they are overweight or obese. One of the reasons for this is that women don't really get told they should work on their fitness to improve their own quality of life. The framing is almost always that the only real value a woman has is as a sex object. Telling women they need to lose weight is also a blame game where people with relatively little control over their live…

Or maybe some people legitimately were concerned for your health? The statistics are indisputable, being obese causes permanent damage to your body and reduces both the quality and length of your life. Wanting someone to frame this differently is a bit of an odd complaint. I also used to be obese, and I also made my own decision to become healthy. I don't think you can force someone to become healthier, but I doubt t…

Or maybe some people legitimately were concerned for your health? The statistics are indisputable, being obese causes permanent damage to your body and reduces both the quality and length of your life. Wanting someone to frame this differently is a bit of an odd complaint.

No, not at all. If you don't frame it differently, you won't change anyone's mind. That reveals the goal for what it is: to feel good about thumbing your nose at obese people, rather than actually persuading them to do something about it.

If you want to persuade people, it's best to be clear about that in your own mind. But if you only want to feel superior then being like "You're fat, yo" is a fine way.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by microcolonel » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 4:03 PM UTC

edent wrote: post #37

microcolonel wrote: post #3

Are they going to start telling you when they're wearing makeup or not?

They already do in the UK - to a degree. Here's a mascara advert which was banned because the model was wearing fake eyelashes. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/18/rimmel-mascara-ad... A similar case in the USA - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/14/fashion/Mascara-Ads-Draw-C...

Well that's a bit different. That would be a direct misrepresentation of the product. i.e. you can not make anyone look like that with the advertised product.