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How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

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Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

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Save a life, bin that knife. Only criminals need knives. /british-persona That said, shouldn't the retailers be prosecuted for being in legal possession of the item prior to sale? They legally own all of the products in their inventory

> Only criminals need knives.

And cooks, hunters, electricians, plumbers, casual restaurant goers etc. Try slicing your steak with a fork or a spoon next time.

Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

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Can some lawyer on here explain how this law is not plainly in conflict with the Second Ammendment? How can a city just decide they don't like knives? In part of the article, someone describes these knives as "dangerous weapons" -- well, yea, that's the idea ...

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post #51
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Save a life, bin that knife. Only criminals need knives. /british-persona That said, shouldn't the retailers be prosecuted for being in legal possession of the item prior to sale? They legally own all of the products in their inventory

> Only criminals need knives. And cooks, hunters, electricians, plumbers, casual restaurant goers etc. Try slicing your steak with a fork or a spoon next time.

Wow, okay did you just assume my food preferences?

Try not murdering innocent life for your next meal.

(I jest)

Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

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The guy in the story received the "maximum sentence" of 6 years just for carrying a knife? I think there is more to this story than stated in the article. That being said, vague laws can be abused by the state to criminalize anything or anyone the don't like.

Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

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My brother got charged as a result this law as the police wanted information about one of his friends. It is enforced very selectively too. If you can swing it down very hard and it opens, it is a gravity knife and thus criminal possession of a weapon. It is a bad law, and according to their definition nearly every pocket knife is a gravity knife. There was an effort to repeal it, but for some reason governor Cuomo d…

Most weapon bans are pretty silly and arbitrary. Look at the old AWB... Flash hider? Banned.. Muzzle Break? ok... Bayonet Lug? Banned... Grenade launcher oh sorry I mean “flaregun attachment” is ok as long as you can’t fix a bayonet on it...

Also, suppressors. They don’t make a gunshot silent. They make it so you won’t instantly lose your hearing without protection.

Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

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The guy in the story received the "maximum sentence" of 6 years just for carrying a knife? I think there is more to this story than stated in the article. That being said, vague laws can be abused by the state to criminalize anything or anyone the don't like.

No he had 3 priors. At least one of which was a felony, meaning he got the maximum.

Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Only criminals need knives. And cooks, hunters, electricians, plumbers, casual restaurant goers etc. Try slicing your steak with a fork or a spoon next time.

Wow, okay did you just assume my food preferences? Try not murdering innocent life for your next meal. (I jest)

Raw carrots and celery then.

Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

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This is a single symptom of a larger issue, namely an excess of laws to the point that any law can be arbitrarily used to prosecute you if you are of an unwanted class, race, etc. Add on top the police quota system and you have a recipe of this type of injustice that runs the gamut, from antiquidated knife laws to the drug war. To me, this is largely a result of lawyers fucking ruining everything they touch, and then…

>The officer said, ‘When I find someone with one of these knives, sometimes I arrest him, sometimes I give him a summons, sometimes I just let him go.’ ” Galluzzo’s partner, Zachary Johnson, also a former district attorney in Manhattan, adds that such discretion is supposed to be exercised by prosecutors, not cops on the beat. “An officer should be making an arrest every time or none of the time,” Johnson says. “Otherwise it’s just not fair.”

Re: How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

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My brother got charged as a result this law as the police wanted information about one of his friends. It is enforced very selectively too. If you can swing it down very hard and it opens, it is a gravity knife and thus criminal possession of a weapon. It is a bad law, and according to their definition nearly every pocket knife is a gravity knife. There was an effort to repeal it, but for some reason governor Cuomo d…

It was a few years back, but I first learned about this in a documentary that had police officers practicing to flip knives open and teaching each other how to do it with different brands/styles of knives. Try as I might, I can't come up with an ethical justification for this behavior. They were literally training to make knives do things beyond their design, for the purpose of charging people who had no intent to do…

If we rethought whatever quota system is in place for arrests it would be a great help. Cops need to make lots of arrests, this is an easy arrest to make, and the cop is a step closer to the quota. It seems to create a system where people arrest people for profit instead of to "serve and protect."
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