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Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by paulddraper »

coldtea wrote: post #31
indubitable wrote: post #19

The implication of this article is that agencies would be obligated to use what the article calls "more obtainable" bodies. Is this actually the case? I think it's vastly more likely that this will do little more than sharply increase the demand for people that actually have the bodies that other individuals were being photoshopped to have. It'd be like if a country banned all voice processing software when singing (…

> The implication of this article is that agencies would be obligated to use what the article calls "more obtainable" bodies. Is this actually the case? I think it's vastly more likely that this will do little more than sharply increase the demand for people that actually have the bodies that other individuals were being photoshopped to have. You could always insist that the distribution of bodies shown in a magazine…

"Problem solved."

I don't think you've predicted this correctly.

Does the prominence matter? Size? Adjacent material?

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by caseysoftware »

My mother and wife were both photographers at some point and basically every photo is modified, touched up, and otherwise "enhanced" in Photoshop or other tools. It doesn't matter if it's a landscape, a room setting, or a person.

While saying "this has been modified" might be valuable, without knowing how this seems misguided at best.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by chrisper »

craftyguy wrote: post #43
thatfrenchguy wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a French person: stop subsidizing corn, start subsidizing vegetables, stop eating take-out. If you look at a middle-class supermarket in France and in the US you understand why your poor are obese pretty quickly.

Not just France, but most European countries.. every time I travel in Europe there's always this initial realization that I'm no longer surrounded by obese people. None of the places I've been to over there encourage the same eating habits that you find prevalent in the US.

It does not help that in the US (or at least in California) you have to drive everywhere. I live in Europe now, but when I lived in the US I barley walked anywhere since it was just too far.

In Europe I do not even own a car anymore. Most things can be done with a bike, by foot, or by public transport. For a few things where I prefer a car, I just use car sharing. So now I am way more active every day.

And thanks to certain trains always be running late, I am running at least once a day as well!

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by Mz »

jdavis703 wrote: post #51
thatfrenchguy wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a French person: stop subsidizing corn, start subsidizing vegetables, stop eating take-out. If you look at a middle-class supermarket in France and in the US you understand why your poor are obese pretty quickly.

The food we have in the U.S., particularly in low-income areas is atrocious. However there are a lot of excuses being made about obesity, including that it's caused by poverty. Yes poverty is a component, but the obesity epidemic is striking all income groups, with no particular correlation to income [0]. It's more about the diet and exercise choices that people choose to make, include the middle class and upper clas…

Almost everyone in the US is a prisoner of their car. Our built environment presumes that you have a car. We make it very challenging to live without one. And then we have to listen to Stephen Hawking be judgy about how we "choose" to not be active, which he can't understand from his wheelchair.

Most Americans are confined to a wheeled chair for many hours a week. We just call it a car, but good luck getting free of it.

(I have lived without a car for about a decade, so this comment is not expressing discontent with me feeling trapped. I escaped that trap and walking everywhere has helped me shed a lot of weight without intending to.)

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by simplyluke »

thatfrenchguy wrote: post #29
VirtualAirwaves wrote: post #20

In the United States, Obesity is one of the leading causes of death, with estimates as high as 300,000 deaths/year. (See https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html ) Deaths from Anorexia are about 150/year (See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11513012 ) Yet we're all hypersensitive about telling women they are overweight or obese. It would be like spending weeks in urban schools talking about how to avoid poison…

As a French person: stop subsidizing corn, start subsidizing vegetables, stop eating take-out. If you look at a middle-class supermarket in France and in the US you understand why your poor are obese pretty quickly.

I think it's a deeper cultural issue than that.

Look at how much more expensive cigarettes are in France and the graphical warning labels that accompany them and then look at how much more commonplace smoking is in France, particularly among the youth. Regulations don't change cultures to nearly the effect many want them to.

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Post by acheron »

caseysoftware wrote: post #55
cyphar wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yet we're all hypersensitive about telling women they are overweight or obese. Also smoking is very normalised in many parts of the world, thanks to American lobbying. I really wish more countries would follow Australia's lead on smoking legislation. Smoking kills ~500,000 a year[1]. > It would be like spending weeks in urban schools talking about how to avoid poisonous snake bites and spending 15 minutes on automo…

That's because everything in Australia is [secretly] plotting to kill you! ;)

There was a kids' cartoon from the U.K. I think, where one of the episodes was about how spiders are our friends and you don't need to be afraid of them, etc.

When the show was broadcast in Australia they left that episode out, because all the spiders in Australia probably will kill you. :)

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by craftyguy »

jdavis703 wrote: post #59
craftyguy wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just France, but most European countries.. every time I travel in Europe there's always this initial realization that I'm no longer surrounded by obese people. None of the places I've been to over there encourage the same eating habits that you find prevalent in the US.

Well portion sizes are smaller, but most people walk, bike or transit to work. For example this week I haven't done any exercise due to a "sports"-related injury, and yet managed to burn an average of 2571 calories -- and before you think I'm lucky to live near work, my one-way commute is 30 miles. Even just 40 minutes of daily physical activity built into a commute can make a huge difference.

Oh yea, totally. I bicycle to work almost every day (it's ~6 mi one way), but I'm lucky enough to live in a location with decent cycling infrastructure. I think another aspect of why most folks drive here (the US) is because a lot of locations have little or no infrastructure for getting around without a car. In the area where I am originally from (different part of US), you'd get smashed by cars pretty fast because you'd be forced to travel on highways/freeways.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

cyphar wrote: post #50
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is your point here, beyond "Fat people are fat"? Do you believe that obese women don't know they're fat? What would telling them they're fat accomplish? None of this makes sense and it's just an excuse to be unkind.

TFA is about France targeting advertising that is known to cause anorexia. GP's point is that (in the US) obesity is a much larger issue and should have far more resources put into tackling that problem. Not being allowed to advertise to minors would be one idea. But since TFA is about France the situation is different. Your comment is a perfect example of being hypersensitive about this issue. As someone who used to…

Mm, no, this is a different argument than "why not tell fat women they're fat?"

I agree with you. But their argument was little more than an excuse to be rude.

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Post by kyriakos »

cyphar wrote: post #57
pjc50 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally people know they're overweight, and there is no shyness about telling people so. Especially women. What there is a lack of is compassionate, practical help. It's quite a bit like smoking; few people would argue that they didn't know they were smoking, the issue is whether they care about the negative health effects and how they can actually do something about it that sticks.

In Australia (after we introduced plain packaging laws for cigarettes, banned advertising, and made many other related laws) smoking has dropped significantly[1]. It's amazing how much advertising and education plays into this. What if it was not legal to advertise junk food to children, or you had plain-packaging style laws for junk food? I used to be obese, so I completely agree that fat people usually are somewhat…

It really helps that you can get a decent meal for the price of a cigarette pack.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by sametmax »

thatfrenchguy wrote: post #29
VirtualAirwaves wrote: post #20

In the United States, Obesity is one of the leading causes of death, with estimates as high as 300,000 deaths/year. (See https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html ) Deaths from Anorexia are about 150/year (See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11513012 ) Yet we're all hypersensitive about telling women they are overweight or obese. It would be like spending weeks in urban schools talking about how to avoid poison…

As a French person: stop subsidizing corn, start subsidizing vegetables, stop eating take-out. If you look at a middle-class supermarket in France and in the US you understand why your poor are obese pretty quickly.

Not sure we should be giving advice. Our situation has worsen during the last 15 years. The quality of food is going down (and the prices for good food up), the health habits are too. Not in the same proportion of the US yet, but it's significant.

Compared to my parents or grand parent generation, the new ones:

- spend much more time seated;

- spend much more time in front of a screen;

- have much less people knowing how to cook. Or choose tasty fruits or vegetable for that matters, and hence they believe good food taste like crap.

- have more fat people, especially young ones;

- eat less home made food;

- consume more cereals, dairies, meat and refined sugar and less vegetables or fruits;

- eat more, and more often;

- consume products with less nutritional density, and a bigger concentration of additives of all sorts;

- eat while doing something else, faster, with less mastication.

So clearly our society is starting to fail on the health part as well.

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