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How a ’50s-Era New York Knife Law Has Landed Thousands in Jail

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Switchblade that opens one handed by gravity or flick of wrist instead of a spring.

I believe that any knife that can be opened one handed would qualify, no? This would be a "gravity knife": https://www.amazon.com/Victorinox-Swiss-Trekker-Pocket-Knife... For context, I carried one of these throughout college for random boxes, cutting wires, etc.

Wait a minute, I have one of those and they're hard enough to open two-handed, your arm would break the sound barrier before you could flick this thing with enough speed to open it one-handed. Is this really considered a gravity knife?

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Massachusetts General Law (Part IV, Title I, Chapter 269, Section 10) includes a long paragraph that describes a variety of knives as dangerous weapons.

I was on a grand jury that considered a spring-assisted knife charged under this statute. Our legal guidance was to have the ADA read this dense paragraph out loud. A majority voted to indict.

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I believe that any knife that can be opened one handed would qualify, no? This would be a "gravity knife": https://www.amazon.com/Victorinox-Swiss-Trekker-Pocket-Knife... For context, I carried one of these throughout college for random boxes, cutting wires, etc.

Wait a minute, I have one of those and they're hard enough to open two-handed, your arm would break the sound barrier before you could flick this thing with enough speed to open it one-handed. Is this really considered a gravity knife?

Flicks aren't required. The thumbhole on the blade is there specifically to enable a one-handed opening, and would likely therefore qualify as a "gravity knife", whatever we might think of such a classification.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switchblade that opens one handed by gravity or flick of wrist instead of a spring.

I believe that any knife that can be opened one handed would qualify, no? This would be a "gravity knife": https://www.amazon.com/Victorinox-Swiss-Trekker-Pocket-Knife... For context, I carried one of these throughout college for random boxes, cutting wires, etc.

> I believe that any knife that can be opened one handed would qualify, no?

This would include things like box cutters (utility knifes).

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My brother got charged as a result this law as the police wanted information about one of his friends. It is enforced very selectively too. If you can swing it down very hard and it opens, it is a gravity knife and thus criminal possession of a weapon. It is a bad law, and according to their definition nearly every pocket knife is a gravity knife.

There was an effort to repeal it, but for some reason governor Cuomo decided to veto it. https://kniferights.org/legislative-update/new-york-gravity-...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe that any knife that can be opened one handed would qualify, no? This would be a "gravity knife": https://www.amazon.com/Victorinox-Swiss-Trekker-Pocket-Knife... For context, I carried one of these throughout college for random boxes, cutting wires, etc.

Wait a minute, I have one of those and they're hard enough to open two-handed, your arm would break the sound barrier before you could flick this thing with enough speed to open it one-handed. Is this really considered a gravity knife?

Even holding the blade?

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Switchblade that opens one handed by gravity or flick of wrist instead of a spring.

It's not a switchblade. That's like calling a handgun a 'rifle with a shorter barrel'. There is a distinction between a switchblade (which opens at the operation of a switch or button), a gravity knife (which opens as you described),and a spring assisted knife (which has a spring but not one strong enough to open the blade on its own). It's dangerous to mix and match words when describing an item that could or could…

Agreed it’s not a switchblade, it differs fundamentally in that it doesn’t have a spring and is not automatic. You take that thing, remove a bit, have this thing.

Wikipedia:

A switchblade is a type of knife with a folding or sliding blade contained in the handle which is opened automatically by a spring when a button, lever, or switch on the handle or bolster is activated. Most switchblade designs incorporate a locking blade, in which the blade is locked against closure when the spring extends the blade to the fully opened position. The blade is unlocked by manually operating a mechanism that unlocks the blade and allows it to be folded and locked in the closed position.

Wikipedia itself contrasts gravity knife with switchblade (as of time of this comment):

A gravity knife is a knife with a blade contained in its handle, and which opens its blade by the force of inertia or gravity. As the gravity knife requires gravity or spinning motion to propel the blade out of the handle, it differs fundamentally from the switchblade, which opens its spring-propelled blade automatically upon the push of a button, switch, or fulcrum lever.

I’d think the distinction should be design intent: the Buck knife and Home Depot knife shown in article photo are not designed to actuate through a spring or gesture. A gravity knife, like a switchblade, is. So certainly closer to a switchblade without a spring rather than a locking blade folding knife.

In Africa we called these knives that were not fully automatic but required a gesture “flick blades”. Some of them are not folding, they slid straight out (or down, gravity assisted) and had a double edge like a dagger. Many of these could become switchblades again if you disassembled them and added a spring.

I also agree with you the enforcement interpretation sounds like they want it to mean any knife you could possibly shake to an open and locked position.

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Cops get a bad rap, but the DAs haven’t come under fire. They knowingly ruin many many more innocent lives than cops. And unlike cops who may shoot in a poor split second decision, DAs knowingly and willingly destroy the lives of the innocent for their own personal gain. It’s time we put blame where it is due.

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My brother got charged as a result this law as the police wanted information about one of his friends. It is enforced very selectively too. If you can swing it down very hard and it opens, it is a gravity knife and thus criminal possession of a weapon. It is a bad law, and according to their definition nearly every pocket knife is a gravity knife. There was an effort to repeal it, but for some reason governor Cuomo d…

From what I’ve heard, they’ll even hold it by the blade and flick it so that the handle’s greater momentum swings it open, even if it’s physically impossible to do that with the blade end.

Handle swings out? Gravity knife. They have a very strange understanding of what “gravity” means.

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My brother got charged as a result this law as the police wanted information about one of his friends. It is enforced very selectively too. If you can swing it down very hard and it opens, it is a gravity knife and thus criminal possession of a weapon. It is a bad law, and according to their definition nearly every pocket knife is a gravity knife. There was an effort to repeal it, but for some reason governor Cuomo d…

Most weapon bans are pretty silly and arbitrary. Look at the old AWB... Flash hider? Banned.. Muzzle Break? ok... Bayonet Lug? Banned... Grenade launcher oh sorry I mean “flaregun attachment” is ok as long as you can’t fix a bayonet on it...
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