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Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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Re: Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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Other Scandinavian countries are also doing quite well, way beyond what their size would suggest. But also well beyond other countries with developed welfare systems, such as France. I think these discussions always miss one key factor: Language. If you don't speak English quite well at an early age (already at 10-13 years old) you are much less likely to get into software development at an early age. If you don't ge…

>If you don't speak English quite well at an early age (already at 10-13 years old) you are much less likely to get into software development at an early age. china and russia beg to differ?

The percent of English speaking people is probably like 4x in China or Russia vs. France or Spain. And you don't need "speaking fluency", just "advanced reading comprehension skills" to get most advantages...

I could read advanced academic papers written in English (not just technical, also philosophy and economics) well before my speaking fluency was good enough to make "live conversation" well.

Of course, there is a horrible side to it: coming from Eastern Europe and living in Western Europe, I need to "dumb down" my English a lot, and to force myself to talk slower in English when speaking with French/Italian/Spanish (French are the worse btw - never met people harder to communicate efficiently with than them... even when their language skills are ok they sprinkle that "context dependency" and "nonobviousness" into everything) people that speak "English" but are actually only fluent in a lifeless subset of "standard international business English"...

Re: Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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Swedes are very different from, say, Norwegians. Swedes are forthcoming and ambitious; if you succeed in your ambition, you're celebrated by your countrymen (so long what you're doing is in the politically correct sphere). You're allowed to be proud of your achievements. Norwegians keep their head down; most seem content with what little they have. If you do achieve more success than your average countrymen, you're s…

Dude, have you ever actually been to Scandinavia? Because wow, those are some deep misconceptions.

Lived here all my life.

https://www.quora.com/How-are-Danes-Norwegians-Swedes-and-Fi...

Re: Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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I've considered launching a start-up of my own here in Sweden so I've given the pros and cons some thought, and it is virtually risk free. To summarise, compared with other countries, we may have even more of the upside but the downside is capped at a very anxiety free level. These are a few of the reasons: - highly skilled labour is cheap in absolute terms and the cost to performance ratio for such workers is probab…

"please fill me in here Norwegians, Danes and Finns!" Well, Skype is half-Danish, so there's that :-) Others that I know of are Unity (founded in Copenhagen), Zendesk (started in Copenhagen), Steelseries, Endomondo, Just-Eat, Tradeshift, Trustpilot, Flying Tiger, Sitecore, TC Electronic, Soundboks, Navision. It kinda depends on how you define "startup". Bu no, not quite as many as Sweden, but we do have our own estab…

t.c. electronics is 40 years old (and legendary) and probably shouldn't be on that list IMO.

Re: Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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What are some successful startups that are based out of Sweden?

I'd say Spotify, Skype and King (Candy Crush) are good examples. I'd count Mojang (Minecraft) too.

I thought Skype was initially based in Estonia?

Re: Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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post #76

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Other Scandinavian countries are also doing quite well, way beyond what their size would suggest. But also well beyond other countries with developed welfare systems, such as France. I think these discussions always miss one key factor: Language. If you don't speak English quite well at an early age (already at 10-13 years old) you are much less likely to get into software development at an early age. If you don't ge…

I'm Finnish (the lang is nowhere near English) and I've begun coding in my early 20s and I'm a technical co-founder (who actually knows his stuff). I don't think language is the reason here. Good education, smart people, good safety nets and a culture of doing things well & properly are IMHO better explanations. About the culture thing: go to anywhere in Europe/World and you'll find out that the Nordic countries in g…

Are you saying Frances broken door knobs and fondness for kitsch is holding them back?

Re: Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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I have no idea why you think that. I can assure you that no developer in Sweden gets paid that little.

As a former tech recruiter in Stockholm I can assure you that they do. These devs, however, usually do not have a degree from university/college, and are either juniors and/or self taught. If you look at the university/college educated devs the story is different, but not by that much. Entry level median salary for devs without higher education from the year I left recruitment (2013/2014) was 28000 USD per year. Add…

I would still be very surprised if any developer in Stockholm is paid $25k a year as OP says. That's less than 17k SEK a month. I also don't think your numbers are valid anymore. The demand on developers is completely crazy in Stockholm right now. Even with minimum prior experience you shouldn't settle for anything less than 25k a month.

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France's safety net is shit for auto entrepreneurs so this could explain that.

Still doesn't explain why I can't name a hugely popular programming language, library or framework created by a French programmer but several by Swedes, Norwegians, Danes, and Dutch, all small countries but where English is a very strong second language. I'm sure there are great French programmers and programming languages, but doesn't is strike you as remarkable that there are not more? From a country of 5 million (…

There's a ton of French influence in software: Symfony, OCaml, lots of Java stuff...

But I treat "made in France" like a warning label for anything software, hard to explain exactly why :)

I guess it might be because they have very few self-thought people (probably because university is decent and free) that have that "intuition for how to simplify stuff and make it obvious and grok-able" (academic education tends to kill this "intuition" in people). Also, there's a kind of cultural "hate" for KISS and "complexity reduction" in general - they tend to view complexity as an asset somehow, quite a messed-up mindset imho...

Re: Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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> Notably, having been an entrepreneur puts you in one of those gaps. Do you mind expanding? Is this something to do with having been ‘unemployed’ while working on your company?

No. Only when you're an employee somewhere part of your taxes are marked as "paying premium for social security". But as an entrepreneur, I'm only covered for health, not unemployment. Note that many entrepreneurs agree with this policy: they rather pay as little tax/premium/whatever and just sort things out themselves. The thing that bothers me is that I can't even choose to pay the same state unemployment premium a…

There are some similar issues in Sweden as well. If you are unemployed you can't study at the university without loosing your unemployment benefit, so you stick with the benefit instead of learning to get a better job. This is really counter productive in many cases. This is not specific to entrepreneurs, but nevertheless quite strange. I can see that it could be abused, but I can also see that one could come up with a solution for it.

Re: Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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That summary would apply more or less to any Scandinavian country so those can't be the reason.

Swedes are very different from, say, Norwegians. Swedes are forthcoming and ambitious; if you succeed in your ambition, you're celebrated by your countrymen (so long what you're doing is in the politically correct sphere). You're allowed to be proud of your achievements. Norwegians keep their head down; most seem content with what little they have. If you do achieve more success than your average countrymen, you're s…

> Norwegians keep their head down; most seem content with what little they have.

Are you aware that Norway is one of the richest countries in the wold?

Re: Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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An example that demonstrates the difference compared with a place like Sweden is that if you are a pennyless student, you can't afford $360/month. That would make it hard to do a startup and still have health insurance. As a student I would would have 10000 SEK / month ($1200), in grant and student loan. [1] You would expect to need nearly all of that in any of the town Universities [2] leaving nothing for healthcare…

If you are in CA and make under $16k as a single person you also get free healthcare and qualify for other social assistance programs

That is good. If my example wasn't clear, Sweden healthcare costs are the same for everyone, regardless of income. We designed it that way deliberately.
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