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Re: Style2Paints: AI colorization of images

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I suppose the images look creepy because of the combination of young age with poses and looks that are not usually associated with girls of such young age.

Yes, let's apply cultural standards universally, surely this will make the world a better place. At least professional artists know how to avoid offending anyone's tastes. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:William-Adolphe_Boug...

The painting you have used as a reference point of cultural standards is not a current style of art that is widely practised or recognised as ‘normal’.

Re: Style2Paints: AI colorization of images

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Capitalism = greedy optimization with a Bayesian assumption. It tends to get stuck in local maxima and does weird things when the inputs are biased, but otherwise works ok. There are almost certainly better ways to search the solution space, but most serious attempts attempts thus far have been non-sensical or impractical.

No one objects that capitalism isn't a good optimization processes. Just that it's optimizing the wrong utility function. At one point something like 50% of STEM majors at MIT went to work on wall street. And the ones that don't go there go to work making more efficient targeted advertisements or addictive smartphone games or other unethical shit. Our population has a limited number of "smart people". I don't think a…

seems like we're basically in agreement. STEM majors working on ads are stuck at a local maxima.

On the other hand, humans are bad at predicting the future, so attempting to allocate resources perfectly is probably a waste of resources. see GPUs for video games, now used for deep learning - things that look trivial now might be important later on. If clicking ads gets us closer to AGI, maybe it's not so bad in the end.

Re: Style2Paints: AI colorization of images

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose the images look creepy because of the combination of young age with poses and looks that are not usually associated with girls of such young age.

Yes, let's apply cultural standards universally, surely this will make the world a better place. At least professional artists know how to avoid offending anyone's tastes. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:William-Adolphe_Boug...

Perhaps the painting you referenced was meant to evoke disgust, or feelings of guilty pleasure. Imho, both are not really appropriate on a project page especially if used excessively and without reason.

At least the child in your painting looks naturally shy, given the situation. This in contrast to the cartoons, where the child seems to be taking the lead in seduction. Why ascribe feelings to children which they don't have?

Re: Style2Paints: AI colorization of images

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post #32

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No one objects that capitalism isn't a good optimization processes. Just that it's optimizing the wrong utility function. At one point something like 50% of STEM majors at MIT went to work on wall street. And the ones that don't go there go to work making more efficient targeted advertisements or addictive smartphone games or other unethical shit. Our population has a limited number of "smart people". I don't think a…

seems like we're basically in agreement. STEM majors working on ads are stuck at a local maxima. On the other hand, humans are bad at predicting the future, so attempting to allocate resources perfectly is probably a waste of resources. see GPUs for video games, now used for deep learning - things that look trivial now might be important later on. If clicking ads gets us closer to AGI, maybe it's not so bad in the en…

It's not that it's a local maxima. There really isn't any economic incentive to care about investing in technologies that can't be turned into a profit in a few years. Capitalism is doing a fine job optimizing, it's just optimizing the wrong function.

>humans are bad at predicting the future, so attempting to allocate resources perfectly is probably a waste of resources.

It's hard to do worse than "random" or "not at all", which is basically what our current system is. Sure it brought us GPUs. But that's pure coincidence that what video games require happened to be what AI requires. If we weren't so lucky that two completely unrelated industries happened to require the same technology, we would never get AI.

Imagine tomorrow someone make a superior graphics chip. That's somehow highly specialized to 3d rendering in video games and does nothing else. Dropping all the general purpose computation and linear algebra stuff. Gamers would all switch to it and the market for GPGPUs would die and AI would stop advancing, or even reverse.

And GPUs aren't that weird or surprising of an invention to invest in. Increased computing power benefits many scientific fields besides AI and would be an obvious investment for a hypothetical central planner.

Re: Style2Paints: AI colorization of images

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post #30
post #16

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I suppose the images look creepy because of the combination of young age with poses and looks that are not usually associated with girls of such young age.

Indeed, they seem somewhat hypersexualised for their suggested age or at least hypersensualised to some extent. Furthermore, and this is purely my opinion of course - they seem a bit... tacky(?) and I must admit if I had opened this link at work I would have been a bit embarrassed if someone cartoons of young girls like this on my display. Perhaps at least a more diverse range of sketches would be both more relatable…

How do you guys determine their age or even gender?

These are fictional characters, they can be 500 years old and have 3 penises.

Re: Style2Paints: AI colorization of images

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This is the result of the brightest minds working on advertising. Who do you think made TensorFlow? Hint: it was Google.

I think there's a legitimate point to be made that it's a shame that the best way we've found to coordinate our resources to advance science and technology is capitalism. It's not like capitalism doesn't work, but if you envision a sort of "coordination oracle" which divides up resources ideally, and which everyone magically trusts, it seems pretty obvious that we would be advancing much more quickly. But I also agre…

We've tried the 'coordination oracle' a few times. It hasn't worked out very well at the larger scales, and I'm not sure trust was the issue.

It appears that it works better when the two systems are blended and neither is used to an extreme. It's really quite a broad spectrum between unfettered capitalism and central management of resources by the State.

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