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Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by faragon »

lottin wrote: post #206
gfiorav wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn’t this the succession war between Habsburg and Borbon dynasties? I’ve seen some depictions in paintings [1] where you can see soldiers from the Habsburg (wearing the Catalan berretinas) porting a Spanish flag... I believe it was more a war for two different models for Spain, not for independence or anything like that. Sounds like revisionism to me. [1] http://www.msde.es/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2-Embarque-de-…

The war was between European powers and had many ramifications in different places. For Catalonia the net result was that it lost its political institutions and became a province in a centralised state.

Also, became a much richer region, because after the centralization got access to world-wide trade because of the Spanish Empire.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by gpvos »

RBerenguel wrote: post #400
gpvos wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, only slightly less than 50% wants independence. They are very vocal though. Also, since education in Catalonia is entirely in Catalonian (also they have their own history books), and use of Spanish in public is heavily discouraged, children will grow up in a mostly Catalonian environment, which makes it likely that that percentage will grow over time.

> and use of Spanish in public is heavily discouraged Would help to know (for non Catalans, specially) what you hint at. My parents talk in Spanish everywhere and to anyone they want to with no problems. Have done so for all her life for my mother and more than 40 years for my father. I assume you mean that public offices and positions require knowing and using Catalan?

I'm not from there, my information comes mostly from Dutch and English media. But I've read that all public schools are all-Catalan except for the Spanish language lessons, and shops with Spanish-only signs are fined.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by enriquto »

gerdesj wrote: post #298
KuiN wrote: post #133

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I'd be interested in any way to help out too. As part of the Scottish independence movement, our Catalonian counterparts are comrades & allies. Other than solidarity protests over here, I'd love to help in some way.

Its a funny old world mate (I'm English) and I despise seeing censorship like this. I will also see what I can find in my toy box to assist Catalunya in expressing themselves democratically. (I would rather GB stayed in one piece but if push came to shove, I'd probably do the same here in similar circumstances - there is no excuse for this heavy handed nonsense)

many thanks to both of you! it's reassuring to see there's still civilized people out there!

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by StavrosK »

kilburn wrote: post #327
stavros wrote: post #261

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> Catalans also have a different language, a strong sense of being a nation (their "local consitution" says so!), etc.. And none of those things is being repressed, I have to add. As a Catalan friend pointed out, they speak and teach Catalan in schools, have complete freedom to vote on issues of their region, etc. I have to agree with the GP that it's mostly the economy doing a bit better than the other regions, whic…

Yes they are. The pro-independence movement didn't really take off until the Spanish Constitutional Court thwarted 17 articles and redacted 27 more from the latest "Catalan constitution" (Estatut). A "constitution" which had been approved by the Catalan Parliament, the Spanish Parliament and the Catalan citizens themselves in a referendum (in that order). Likewise, the latest Spanish education law (LOMCE) includes an…

Couldn't you make the same point for any region? I'm free to do whatever I want to my house, as long as my district is fine with it. My district is free to do whatever they want, as long as the country is fine with it. The country is free to do what they want, as long as the EU is fine with it. And so on. It's the cost of living with other people, and there are benefits to that too.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by Oletros »

gfiorav wrote: post #179
antaviana wrote: post #31

"Basically, the code recurses a sha256 computation 1714 times to get a lookup key, and then once more to get a password for decryption." This is an Easter Egg. Barcelona fell on September 11, 1714 during the War of Spanish Succession and with that Catalonia's freedom as well. September 11 is the National Day of Catalonia. Also, at 17:14 of each and every game of FC Barcelona in Camp Nou Stadium, Barcelona fans claim…

Wasn’t this the succession war between Habsburg and Borbon dynasties? I’ve seen some depictions in paintings [1] where you can see soldiers from the Habsburg (wearing the Catalan berretinas) porting a Spanish flag... I believe it was more a war for two different models for Spain, not for independence or anything like that. Sounds like revisionism to me. [1] http://www.msde.es/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2-Embarque-de-…

This painting is from Catalan Volunteers in Cuba in 1870 more less, it has nothing to do with the Succesion War

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by nsnick »

amelius wrote: post #112

As an outsider, it's strange that nobody here seems to question whether the referendum really makes sense. Forgetting about Catalonia for a moment, isn't it fundamentally amoral that a part of the country where prosperity has (by mere chance) concentrated suddenly wants to split off? Isn't this taking wealth-inequality to the next level? Of course the people in a prosperous part of the country want to split off. Abso…

So why does Spain deserve Catalonia's money any more than any other country? Why shouldn't France get it or a poor African country?

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by gpvos »

setzer22 wrote: post #403
gpvos wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, only slightly less than 50% wants independence. They are very vocal though. Also, since education in Catalonia is entirely in Catalonian (also they have their own history books), and use of Spanish in public is heavily discouraged, children will grow up in a mostly Catalonian environment, which makes it likely that that percentage will grow over time.

The best "measure" we have right now for the percentage of independentists (and the one I assume you're implicitly citing) were the last Catalan elections the 27th of september of 2015. There are two problems with that measure: - That was two years ago - Even then, that was a parlamentary election, not a referendum. This I think it is reasonable to demand a proper referendum, whether you want independence or not.

I'm not disputing at all that it's reasonable to have a referendum, and I understand that a huge majority there wants that, if, for some, only to vote against independence.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by tumblen »

gpvos wrote: post #377
mabbo wrote: post #61

I just left Barcelona a couple hours ago, the capital of Catalonia. Everywhere you look, Catalan flags, signs demanding 'democracia', demanding freedom. I'm told this is just normal for the region, but if this is normal then independence is eventual.

Actually, only slightly less than 50% wants independence. They are very vocal though. Also, since education in Catalonia is entirely in Catalonian (also they have their own history books), and use of Spanish in public is heavily discouraged, children will grow up in a mostly Catalonian environment, which makes it likely that that percentage will grow over time.

What do you mean by discouraged?

I'm from the US and my wife is from Barcelona. Her family all speaks Catalan between each other but they are perfectly happy speaking Spanish with me (as are all of their family's friends and associates).

Between my wife and her friends, they speak probably a 50/50 mix of Catalan/Spanish.

I have never heard or seen anyone in all of Catalunya be discouraging or negative in relation to speaking Spanish.

When I was first in Spain, the calls for independence were few and far between compared to now, but the situation hasn't improved so they continue to grow.

But the basis of those calls, from what I've seen, is primarily rooted in real, economic/political issues. They aren't calling for independence because they have a different language, but because Spain is not providing them with the fair share of resources they need to succeed and grow as a region.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by StavrosK »

NetStrikeForce wrote: post #343
TheLugal wrote: post #337

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You can't just look at data from the internet without touching it, you need to download it. The same holds true when reading data from the IPFS network. In the process, you make it available for anyone else who ask for it, but only for a limited time; until the Garbage Collector (GC) runs. If I remember correctly, the GC run once every hour or so, so you probably won't reshare the data for longer than that. You need…

That was very clear, thanks!

You can kind of think of it like seeding a torrent, and pinning ensures the seeding won't stop until you unpin.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by gfiorav »

ArturSoler wrote: post #365
gfiorav wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn’t this the succession war between Habsburg and Borbon dynasties? I’ve seen some depictions in paintings [1] where you can see soldiers from the Habsburg (wearing the Catalan berretinas) porting a Spanish flag... I believe it was more a war for two different models for Spain, not for independence or anything like that. Sounds like revisionism to me. [1] http://www.msde.es/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2-Embarque-de-…

That wasn't the Spanish flag until 70 years later, in 1785.

It was officially adopted 70 years later but it had been used in war ships far earlier than that. That’s where it came from: I was made to be easily identifiable while at sea.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandera_de_Espa%C3%B1a

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