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Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by pvaldes »

elecbit wrote: post #418
pvaldes wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What's wrong with independence of small groups? The extinction Being smaller is stupid when you need to compete with much bigger countries in the rest of the world. It doesn't work in the practise.

Then, let us Catalans be stupid and go to extintion ourselves. We will probably be fine. If you want us to be in Spain, please seduce us instead of forbid us everything. I haven't heard of any new independent country asking to be part again of the former one.

> if you want us to be in Spain, please seduce us

Yeah, the tiresome "seduce us (with mo' fresh money)" argument again.

I have a better idea, why you don't try to seduce me instead to call me thief (Spain stole us) and abuser (Spain oppress us and do not let us be free) and hit me all the time with a new surrealist occurrence (don't buy spanish products, here are a list of the evil companies that you must avoid if you want to be a good citizen)?

In the last 60 years, you have been offered a lot of gifs and privileges (that by the way, I don't enjoy), and is never enough. You are never, ever, happy. Always creating drama around, like an old crazy theater lady past her prime, always demanding to be loved, but giving in return dry sarcasm and a single uncaring kiss by christmas (when there are cameras around).

So thanks, but not thanks. I will pass this time. You are not so irresistible as you think and not so beautiful as you were 20 years ago. I deserve something better.

> I haven't heard of any new independent country asking to be part again of the former one.

This does not bother me, but there is always a first time for everything.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by gjjrfcbugxbhf »

MrDosu wrote: post #411
amelius wrote: post #112

As an outsider, it's strange that nobody here seems to question whether the referendum really makes sense. Forgetting about Catalonia for a moment, isn't it fundamentally amoral that a part of the country where prosperity has (by mere chance) concentrated suddenly wants to split off? Isn't this taking wealth-inequality to the next level? Of course the people in a prosperous part of the country want to split off. Abso…

As a german i find the economic reasons of "why should we pay for the poor people" highly ironic... That's what we all founded europe for... stronger together!

No the treaties that led to the EU were to prevent Germany and France having huge destructive wars every 20-50 years - something it has done very well so far.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by monort »

lederhosen wrote: post #252
monort wrote: post #236

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What's wrong with independence of small groups? The more governments - the more competition. Why are we against big monopolies in every area, except the state services?

Where does the recursion end? Should Catalonia accept independence from pockets where the majority wants to be Spanish?

Surely Catalonia should accept independence of Spaniards pockets, though I realize that in practice they probably won't. Why do you think there should be a forced limit for recursion?

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by pvaldes »

lagadu wrote: post #415
amelius wrote: post #112

As an outsider, it's strange that nobody here seems to question whether the referendum really makes sense. Forgetting about Catalonia for a moment, isn't it fundamentally amoral that a part of the country where prosperity has (by mere chance) concentrated suddenly wants to split off? Isn't this taking wealth-inequality to the next level? Of course the people in a prosperous part of the country want to split off. Abso…

There's nothing sudden at all. They effectively lost their independence 300 years ago but the drive for independence has always been there (along, famously, with a few other parts of modern Spain). They have their own language, their own culture. Their desire for independence has been around for hundreds of years. But even if that wasn't the case: what's wrong with that? Why would a few million people that want to fo…

> they have their own culture.

And what culture!: Cars, cinemas, smartphones, paellas, metro, electric lights, big buildings, McDonalds, Hollywood films, playstations, computers... all created and discovered by the industrious Catalonian people. They also eat onions entire, make a substitute of Champagne and are expert climbing over other people to raise nice castles in the thin air.

Yeah, they have their own culture, as every other guy/girl in the country (and their pets). Everybody has a culture and a millenary history to tell here.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by stareatgoats »

skrebbel wrote: post #369
SapphireSun wrote: post #123

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The part that makes it even more confusing for me is that their party, Podemos, is a real left party which you'd expect to be against increasing income inequality. I expect that the situation in Spain is much more complex than we give it credit for. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podemos_(Spanish_political_par... EDIT: added link, changed "socialist" to "left"

Lots of left flavored parties are for "income equality, except for foreigners" PVV in the Netherlands or Dansk Folkeparti in Denmark come to mind. I don't know enough about Podemos to know where to put them, but there's nothing contradicting about left leaning parties and nationalism.

For the the record: your position here is really fringe as far as the science goes. Most political science analysts agree that both PVV [1]and DF [2] are right-wing populists, not 'left-flavored' at all. See the very first line in both of the Wikipedia articles. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_Freedom (PVV) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_People%27s_Party (DF)

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by guiriduro »

euyyn wrote: post #288
toyg wrote: post #239

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> The spanish constitution ... was drafted 40 years ago by a Franchist establishment concerned with maintaining a certain degree of continuity. It's not surprising that the people most oppressed by Franco are not particularly happy with the result. Besides, the Wilson doctrine is usually more relevant for this sort of movements than whichever piece of paper is supposed to be law here or there. A population cannot be…

That Constitution was voted in referendum by the whole country, and the support it got in Catalonia was even greater than in Madrid. > the people most oppressed by Franco Let's at least agree that this is subjective.

The options then (1970s) on offer were: 1) remain as a Francoist dictatorship 2) accept a new constitution with some democratic principles (but adherence to things like the unity of spain, the convenient 'forgetting' of fascist crimes and torture etc.)

Given there were no other options, and few people wanted to return to dictatorship, the new constitution was adopted. But that doesn't mean it wasn't a shotgun, Hobson's choice between dreadful and merely bad. Why should people continue to adhere to it?

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by neoscott »

morgante wrote: post #397
neoscott wrote: post #393

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Because was a legal referendum from the UK government, it's very different with the Catalonia referendum

The notion of a referendum being "illegal" is farcical. No democracy should prohibit people from deciding to get together and conduct a poll on something.

The same people that are doing the referedum seized with the police ballot boxes and ballots for a vote in 2013

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by trosop »

elecbit wrote: post #117
pipio21 wrote: post #99

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Well, it is normal since independentists have controlled Catalunya since 40 years ago. It used to be that 20% of the population was independentist through, now is over 50%. For example, they choosed school principals among independentist so now over 85% of them are Catalan language teachers that tend to be independentist. This way kids could be directed to be independentist too. The same happened with the local media…

A Catalan here. Quite a bad description, I think. We should remember that Catalonia had its own language forbidden to even speak in the street for 40 years during Franco's dictatorship. Language and culture was kept alive thanks of people keeping it in secrecy. When "democracy" returned, some of the competences they had before the war were returned to the government. After 6 years of demonstrations of 2-3 million (ou…

Another Catalan here, a Catalan that has lived in Italy and France.

In the dictatorship Catalan was forbidden, but now Catalan in Catalonia is the only language used in schools (the teachers are told to only speak in that language even to the parents, search for "immersió lingüística"), the official buildings, hospital papers, and so on. Is this what you would call repression or not-democracy?

Now, in Spain other languages (I am using the word languages again) are official, and they are the language the teachers use at schools. Do you know what they call other languages in France or Italy? dialects! They are not official, of course, nor used as official languages in schools or public buildings.

So Spain is even more democratic than Italy and France in that issue, but people are complaining in Catalonia because of the adoctrination, and millions of euros spent by the Catalan government. Don't fool yourself. A referendum in a moment of maximum propaganda by the Catalan government is really democracy?

The conservative Catalan government, as the conservative Spanish government, have a lot of cases of corruption, and since all this irrationality nobody is talking about that. Last week Spain freed two Catalan politicians from the current governing party from going to jail because of the Pretoria case, but almost nobody mentioned that. Do you really thing this chaos is not premeditated?

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Post by vanderZwan »

kilburn wrote: post #2

Author here. I've tried to keep the article as apolitical as possible, while giving some context to provide the setting. Anyway, I'm very interested in knowing if the used crypto is sound or not, and stirring a discussion around possible alternative approaches. Ask me anything if you want to know further!

Ironically, your website is blocked the the network of my university: https://imgur.com/a/fJxvX

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by mbaine »

elecbit wrote: post #117
pipio21 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it is normal since independentists have controlled Catalunya since 40 years ago. It used to be that 20% of the population was independentist through, now is over 50%. For example, they choosed school principals among independentist so now over 85% of them are Catalan language teachers that tend to be independentist. This way kids could be directed to be independentist too. The same happened with the local media…

A Catalan here. Quite a bad description, I think. We should remember that Catalonia had its own language forbidden to even speak in the street for 40 years during Franco's dictatorship. Language and culture was kept alive thanks of people keeping it in secrecy. When "democracy" returned, some of the competences they had before the war were returned to the government. After 6 years of demonstrations of 2-3 million (ou…

"We should remember that Catalonia had its own language forbidden to even speak in the street for 40 years during Franco's dictatorship."

We should remember this is a false myth. Catalan was never banned. There were many works in literature and music using Catalan as language during Franco's dictatorship (1939-1975).

For instance, you can check the full list of works that won the Lletra d'Or awards, to the best year work written in Catalan. It started in 1956. Josep Pla, one of the most importan Catalan writters won that award in 1957.

https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premi_Lletra_d%27Or

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josep_Pla

And here you can watch Joan Manuel Serrat, singing in Catalan on TVE (the Public Spanish national television). That was in 1968.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6da-yrtBIY

What Franco did was to ban Catalan language from public institutions.

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